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I do nothing think the government should tell anyone what book they can not read
The issue is that he was in uniform.. The argument is that people in uniform are supposed to be non political.. I could argue either side of this one so I chose not to.
Untrue on both counts. He's a senior NCO (he's an E8 which is 7 ranks higher than a private and there's only one above that).
Actually there are two entire classes of ranks ahead of him, which includes all 5 of warrant officer ranks and all 10 commissioned officer ranks.
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He is suppose to set the rhythm of his troops and be an example for those under him. But that's probably the problem. He's been blowing his own horn (or whatever) and not doing any leading. Or was he also drilling the band on the pavement too? If so then he should really be nailed. If not then just nailed really hard.
As a Master Sergeant he is not in a leadership position and is not in charge of troops. First Sergeant is the title of an E-8 in a leadership position.
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As far as the bumper stickers go, try working at Microsoft with a bumper sticker being snarky about Bill Gates or Steve Balmer. You'll get an escort to your car with a box of your crap to go with you.
Try it with your boss.
That's plain insubordination. Even if what you think is correct, acting that way to your supervisor when you are a supervisor is asking for it.
Military members are allowed to put bumper stickers on their privately owned vehicles provided they are not offensive. Political ones are not considered offensive unless they are derogatory to a sitting president . The ones listed in the various articles do not meet that criteria, according to criteria given to commander during the election. Matter of fact, one of the ones listed was specifically given as an example of an allowed bumper sticker.
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As far as the book goes, reading anything political or even controversial in nature while in uniform when you can be observed by others (and especially Jr. NCOs and non NCO elisteds) you are breaking military bearing.
He is allowed to read any book he chooses, unless everyone is forbidden to read, provided the title or cover is not offensive. None of the books listed in the articles fit that criteria.
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This isn't about beliefs it's about acting like a soldier.
I would say it is both. Both he and his command have handled this poorly.
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If he's lucky he'll just lose two stripes. Maybe three. And then head out to the sunset.
Not going to happen. This is a public relations nightmare waiting to happen and, believe it or not, would set back acceptance of gay service members. It has already created a martyr to the cause to rally behind, there is no legitimate reason to give them more talking points to create outrage. Worse case scenario, he'll be "encouraged" to retire.
As a Master Sergeant he is not in a leadership position and is not in charge of troops. First Sergeant is the title of an E-8 in a leadership position.
Military members are allowed to put bumper stickers on their privately owned vehicles provided they are not offensive. Political ones are not considered offensive unless they are derogatory to a sitting president . The ones listed in the various articles do not meet that criteria, according to criteria given to commander during the election. Matter of fact, one of the ones listed was specifically given as an example of an allowed bumper sticker.
He is allowed to read any book he chooses, unless everyone is forbidden to read, provided the title or cover is not offensive. None of the books listed in the articles fit that criteria.
I would say it is both. Both he and his command have handled this poorly.
Not going to happen. This is a public relations nightmare waiting to happen and, believe it or not, would set back acceptance of gay service members. It has already created a martyr to the cause to rally behind, there is no legitimate reason to give them more talking points to create outrage. Worse case scenario, he'll be "encouraged" to retire.
None of your corrections change anything. All NCOs are leaders. All branches. This is regardless of duty and even if it's only to be an example for the troops as to what a proper soldier is.
I was being satirical as far as drilling a band on a parade ground. I have no idea how long one can serve in the band and what else goes on besides that during that time. You cannot dispatch leadership unless you have leadership: MASTER SERGEANT (MSG) - US Army The Year of the NCO
Your two comments about criteria are without merit. Usually I'd say an opinion is worth something but none of us have the facts as being presented by both parties. You are showing a high level of bias stating that as fact but maybe you meant opinion.
And surely he isn't allowed to read pornography if he puts a bookcover on it so the title can't be seen. So no good on that point either.
For the most part your statements are reasonable but the difference with me is I haven't stated any opinion that is my own about what someone said has happened. I don't know. And choosing to try this in the press is going to make it worse for him.
This isn't going to do anything to set back gay members. It's alleged he used the F* word on Twitter so him not being punished might cause some groans from the left but not the other way around. Of course, that's my opinion.
Don't ask, don't tell now applies to Christians and conservatives?
Are you saying all Christians and conservatives are homosexuals?
There was a written law that forbid open homosexuals from serving in the armed forces. Was/Is there one against Christians too? If not then in order to be true they'd all have to be gay. And living in the 90s.
You got one thing in common with that guy in the article. You like calling people you don't like names.
That NCO called gays "F@gg__s; Said he was really religious.
Jesus said, "Love every one as I have loved you." He didn't say "love every one but the ones you don't like."
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