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Old 07-10-2013, 08:51 AM
 
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Mubarik kept the Brotherhood out, that's probably why we instigated that regime change. The people won't put up with Morsi, and they also want the Brotherhood out.

Is anyone denying the Muslim Brotherhood the right to participate in whatever government is put into place? I am confused about that.

I know the Muslim Brotherhood is furious about the ouster of President Morsi, but will they not still be able to participate in the (hopefully) ensuing democratic process?
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Old 07-10-2013, 09:24 AM
 
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Is anyone denying the Muslim Brotherhood the right to participate in whatever government is put into place? I am confused about that.

I know the Muslim Brotherhood is furious about the ouster of President Morsi, but will they not still be able to participate in the (hopefully) ensuing democratic process?
The Muslims Brothers are refusing to join in the new government talks.

Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood spurns cabinet offer - Al Arabia News 7/10/13

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Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood said on Wednesday it will reject an offer to join a new interim government, a week after the country’s elected President Mohamed Mursi was ousted by the army.
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The official MENA news agency quoted a source saying that Hazem el-Beblawi, appointed on Tuesday as interim prime minister, plans to extend an olive branch to the Muslim Brotherhood by offering members cabinet posts.
The conciliatory move was rejected by the Brotherhood which has vowed to keep up street protests until Mursi is reinstated.
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Old 07-10-2013, 10:40 AM
 
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The Muslims Brothers are refusing to join in the new government talks.

Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood spurns cabinet offer - Al Arabia News 7/10/13

thanks for the update. Oh brother.
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Old 07-10-2013, 11:03 AM
 
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thanks for the update. Oh brother.
One thing that is for sure, Egyptians don't want any US interference/help and don't want to put anyone in government that the US would support. The level of mistrust that the Egyptians have for the US is at an all time high.
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Old 07-11-2013, 04:47 PM
 
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At least 50 dead in Cairo from clashing government security forces and pro-Morsi forces. Mostly civilians.
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Old 07-11-2013, 04:53 PM
 
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One thing that is for sure, Egyptians don't want any US interference/help and don't want to put anyone in government that the US would support. The level of mistrust that the Egyptians have for the US is at an all time high.
Can you quote some statistics about US approval ratings in Egypt in the past compared to now? Remember that Mubarak was a US puppet and they hated him too.

In 2008 the US approval rating in Egypt was 6%, so can you demonstrate how low it has sunk since then?
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Old 07-11-2013, 05:17 PM
 
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Can you quote some statistics about US approval ratings in Egypt in the past compared to now? Remember that Mubarak was a US puppet and they hated him too.

In 2008 the US approval rating in Egypt was 6%, so can you demonstrate how low it has sunk since then?
Listening to VTA over the weekend and the 'man on the street report' said that most Egyptians were fine with Americans but Obama and his U.S. Ambassador to Egypt, Anne Patterson, were viewed with much suspicion and contempt.

Ambassador Anne Patterson, the Controversial Face of America
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Old 07-11-2013, 05:39 PM
 
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Listening to VTA over the weekend and the 'man on the street report' said that most Egyptians were fine with Americans but Obama and his U.S. Ambassador to Egypt, Anne Patterson, were viewed with much suspicion and contempt.

Ambassador Anne Patterson, the Controversial Face of America
OK, so the US approval rating has actually increased. I didn't think it could be any worse than 2008, when only 6% of Egyptians had a favorable view of Egypt. Of course if you talk a random guy on the street, then you can expect to hear pretty much anything.
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Old 07-12-2013, 01:35 AM
 
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Can you quote some statistics about US approval ratings in Egypt in the past compared to now? Remember that Mubarak was a US puppet and they hated him too.

In 2008 the US approval rating in Egypt was 6%, so can you demonstrate how low it has sunk since then?
Obama's speech in 2009 Cairo to the Muslim community raised the approval rating in Egypt, and other Arab countries, which started to decline in 2010.

Since approval ratings are based on polls, there isn't a current rating regarding Egypt. But by all indications the US (this administration) approval rating is at a low in Egypt if you go by the people because of either real or perceived, involvement and/or influence direct or indirect. What is being seen is the people who want democracy harbors great animosity towards the US administration (with the help of Anne Patterson). Obama had a high approval rating from the MB, but that is now wavering as their "trust" is dropping due to Obama's failure to take steps and force reinstatement of Morsi.

Obama can't say if it was a coup and if it was justified or not. A coup is generally against the people, in this case the military acted on behalf of and for the people.

Obama will be remembered by Egyptians as supporting an Islamic extremist who was implementing the most un-democratic government and who caused more damage to Egypt than Mubarak.

Although this was Egypt's first experience with democracy, Germany was a democracy when Hitler was voted and we know how that turned out.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/op...0744.html?_r=0
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Old 07-12-2013, 05:39 AM
 
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Obama's speech in 2009 Cairo to the Muslim community raised the approval rating in Egypt, and other Arab countries, which started to decline in 2010.
You said it was at an all time low, but now you say it might be lower than 2010? Arab countries simply do not view US and the West favorably. They never have, and never will, and this is why only 6% of Egyptians had a favorable view of US in 2008.

Perhaps you worry too much about being liked. They will never like us, and you might as well get used to that idea. We have been giving them money to support our own interests, not to make them like us. Mubarak liked us, or our money, but the Egyptians never liked because they always knew out money was going to Mubarak and to the military to purchase political favors. We hoped we could buy Morsi too, but obviously the Egyptians hated him as much as they hated Mubarak, so we will have to buy the next guy instead.
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