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Old 07-05-2013, 02:31 PM
 
Location: DFW
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They don't make commedians like they used to.
Eddie Murphy would make a great Trayvon, with a little Alfalfa thrown in.

 
Old 07-05-2013, 02:31 PM
 
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Nah. Unless they revive all the oldies. SNL hasn't been good since about 1976.

They don't make comedians like they used to.

Jane Curtin (you ignorant s**t) would play da Judge!
Thanks for the chuckle. You are correct about SNL.
 
Old 07-05-2013, 02:31 PM
 
Location: US
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The State is precisely setting out why Zimmerman had ill intent. He has contradicted his own statements time after time, he never identified himself as the neighborhood watch guy to Martin, there's minutes missing between his phone calls to 911. He stalked Martin, confronted him, a pursuit was involved, there was a struggle, and Martin is dead. It's true that Martin had as much right to protect himself as Zimmerman did. Just because Zimmerman had a gun that trumped Martin's fighting ability renders Martin ineligible to defend himself? Remember, Martin didn't know he was a neighborhood watch guy.

This Defendant was rightly charged. If Zimmerman is not acquitted, the jury may render a verdict of manslaughter, which is where the State really thought it would end up anyway.

There are a couple of points that are appealable, but the appellate court will consider whether error, if any is found, is harmless, meaning that the jury would have arrived at the same verdict anyway despite the error.

Finally, the State has brought out that the screaming on the tape stopped immediately after the gun was fired.

The jury needs to hear this, and I do not believe the Judge will grant this defendant's motion for judgment of acquittal.
 
Old 07-05-2013, 02:33 PM
 
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There time to do that was before the jury, they couldn't. More speculation and nothing concrete that shows 2nd degree murder.

What about these points?



Why did the screaming stop right when the shot got fired? Why would Zimmerman be screaming as he was reaching and maneuvering and pointing the gun? Why was there no muffling of the screams at any point, or right before the shot since at that point Zimmerman claimed Trayvon's full body weight was on the hands pressed against Zimmerman's face?

In Zimmerman's account to his best friend, he swore that he was attempting to scoot off the sidewalk as Trayvon was above him with his knees to Zimmerman's armpits yet at the same time Trayvon supposedly noticed the gun and went for it, which is physically impossible. Trayvon would have had to have had eyes at the back of his head and reach behind him to get the gun.
 
Old 07-05-2013, 02:33 PM
 
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There were no instructions from the police. A dispatcher is not a LEO! Wow he continually lies about the facts.

So, by your logic, Law Enforcement would have told Zimmerman to follow Trayvon Martin? That's interesting.

The guidelines of Neighborhood Watch are very clear. Zimmerman chose to ignore them.



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“What do you tell someone about following someone?” prosecutor John Guy asked Dorival, a civilian police employee who works with Neighborhood Watch volunteer organizations.

“We tell them not to do that,” Dorival replied.


George Zimmerman was warned not to be ‘vigilante police,’ court hears | World | News | National Post

http://www.usaonwatch.org/assets/pub...anual_1210.pdf
Okay...came back to edit. I did not realize that you were taliking about something the prosecution said. Did they say that? I did not hear that part. Nevertheless, Zimmerman overstepped bounds and the 911 operator knew what they were talking about. No one would have asked him to pursue and in fact, on the contrary.
 
Old 07-05-2013, 02:36 PM
 
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I’ve hear the Prosecutor make 2-3 claims that are outright lies from the evidence presented in the case. That cannot be accidental.

If I was on the jury I would be highly insulted.
 
Old 07-05-2013, 02:36 PM
 
Location: DFW
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Why did the screaming stop right when the shot got fired? .
All parties would have stopped at the sound of the gun.

Any assault would have ceased at that very moment, no matter who was screaming.
 
Old 07-05-2013, 02:36 PM
 
Location: FL
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The state’s argument for second degree murder could be made against every police officer that has ever had to shoot a perp in the line of duty.

1. The shooting itself is sufficient evidence to find a depraved mind.
2. The defendant had access to information about self defense so he could have constructed a lie.
Zimmerman was not the police, he only thought he was.
 
Old 07-05-2013, 02:39 PM
 
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All parties would have stopped at the sound of the gun.

Any assault would have ceased at that very moment, no matter who was screaming.
Why would Zimmerman have been screaming while he was getting to his gun, positioning it, making sure his left hand was out of the way, as he illustrated to police in the video interview, aimed and fired?

He claims he kept shouting for help even after Trayvon was down because he didn't know he was dead, so why can't we continue to hear him? Because his yells were not loud like Trayvons were maybe.

Why were the screams not muffled before the gunshot since at that point Zimmerman's mouth and nose were being pressed on with Trayvon's full body weight, according to Zimmerman?

I'd like someone who believes Zimmerman's version to answer these questions, even if you're just speculating.
 
Old 07-05-2013, 02:40 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Originally Posted by Rakin View Post
All parties would have stopped at the sound of the gun.

Any assault would have ceased at that very moment, no matter who was screaming.
You're forgetting that Zimmerman claims he didn't know he'd killed Martin so, if he was screaming for help, why would he quit yelling for help when the gun went off?
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