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Originally Posted by ColdAilment
I think this research is confusing liberal/conservative with democrat/republican. The cities in the liberal list I think are cities with people that vote democrat but don't consider themselves to be liberal or progressive. These are voters that vote democrat because of their situation but are otherwise socially and culturally conservative...
Many of the most conservative cities on this list have been governed by Democrats for decades.
My house would be unlawfully occupied in Provo because no more than two unrelated individuals can live together in a single-family zone. In other zones, max unrelated is three, so we would still be unlawfully occupying. Where is OWS when you need them?
Freaking family fascists. (Not literally correct, but great alliteration.)
I think it really depends on your skills and what is in demand in the area. I live in a liberal city and there are a lot of poor people here who live off welfare. However, engineers, automation control technicians, and CNC machinists can do well here.
The liberal cities are very expensive to live in due to the regulations and restrictions.
All in the name of the betterment of society of course.
Liberal cities tend to have much higher demand than they have for supply is why they tend to be more expensive, as well as geographic limitations. You would be hard pressed to find a conservative city people were trying to move to that also had a low cost of living that wasn't a suburb to a liberal or left leaning city.
I was wondering that myself, about Detroit being the most liberal. It seems wrong. How did they get that answer? Did they poll people & ask their political affiliation? Base it on the political party identification of the representatives of local government? It just seems not right.
Not sure why this thread was resurrected, but nobody (including me) bothered to really look at how they arrived at this list OR the other really interesting information in the "report".
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Research Method
The goal of this research was to rank America’s most liberal and conservative cities
based on the voting returns of the 2004 United States presidential election. The Bay Area Center
for Voting Research identified every American city with a population greater than 100,000
according to the 2000 Census, and obtained the election returns in each of these cities5. The
researchers obtained information for the applicable cities located within each state by contacting
the city recorder, city clerk, or other designated city official. In many instances, it was the
recorder of the county in which that city was located that held the information by “precinct,” or
election district of a city. The votes were tabulated by combining the voting returns from all of
the precincts located in a particular city.
(two cities in Texas refused to submit their data for the Study - Wichita Falls & Amarillo)
Data for this list came from the 2004 Presidential election and the 2000 Census report - the Study was released in 2005 ...... which means this is all pretty out of date. We've now had 2 more Presidential Elections and a new Census. This is a snap shot of Data prior to Obama being elected.
All that said - the Study hi-lighted several areas that were consistent with Liberal and Conservative cities of over 100,000 population.
1. Race was the deciding factor in most of the Liberal lists (Northwest coast is the exception), but this explains why Detroit was #1 on the List with a Liberal vote of 93.98%.
2. Marriage (or lack of) was a significant factor - Liberal cities have less marriage, Conservative cities have more marriage by a considerable percentage.
3. Education (high school grads) was a significant factor - Liberal cities have a less educated population, Conservative cities have a more educated population
4. Age - the surprise to the Study was that Age is not a factor in either Liberal or Conservative voting patterns.
For those who a are interested - the compete Study and all their findings.
Nothing at all in the Study had any information or relevance to the Economy or Jobs in those Cities. There is a lot of interesting information in the Study on voting patterns and the Data they used in totally Valid. Turns out that Liberal voters are not the "most educated" and that Conservative voters are not "old". Also interesting that 7 California cities made the Top 25 Conservative List and the the San Francisco Bay area is the most Liberal in the USA. It was interesting to read the Demographics of the Hispanics in the list - several of Cities high on the Conservative list had very high numbers of Hispanics. Provo #1 and Lubbock #2 on the Conservative Top 25 are both just over 100,000 AND are College Towns. Berkeley #3 and Cambridge #8 on the Liberal Top 25 are College Towns. Austin, Houston and San Antonio TX are perceived to be the most Liberal Cities in Texas, BUT San Antonio rank high on the Conservative List and Dallas, TX ranks as the most Liberal City in Texas by a lot - when the ranking is based on voting patterns. There are a LOT of misconceptions that have been promoted by the Left in several areas when it comes to "age, income, education" of Liberals and Democrats according to the actual voting patterns and Data.
What in the hell is a conservative city or a liberal city?
These generalizations make little sense relative to employment.
You go where the jobs are depending on what sector you work in. If you wanna work in the oilfields, you surely wouldn't move to Miami. If you wanna work as a software engineer, you probably wouldn't have Billings, Montana on your radar.
My question is, if you are out of work and living in poverty, yet you want to earn a good job with a decent, steady income to provide a quality standard of living, would it be better to be living in, or be seeking to move to, one of the most liberal cities, or one of the most conservative cities?
If I was in that position, politics would be my last consideration. I'd move to the state that had the most job opportunities for my skill set.
Right now, if I were a young man, fresh out of high school and had no college intentions or ability to go, I would go to one of the oil fields and find employment. If I had to take a bus, hitchhike or walk. I would go to one of the oil towns and walk into the unemployment office and say I want to go to work anywhere. I might not get on with a drilling company overnight, but I would start building my resume in that direction. If I had to work at a convenience store at the moment, I would try to get the night shift in order to free up my days to look for potential opportunities to move closer to my goals. While most oil field towns are more right wing towns than left, I don't think it really makes a difference. You go towards the money.
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