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Old 08-13-2013, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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As for having a trial in a foreign language I don't agree with that. The judge, jury and everyone else in the courtroom would have to know that language...
Well true, but that is why Harrier's proposal would only allow for only a few select languages that reflect those used by a region's population.

A language should be spoken by enough people in the area so that there would never be a problem getting qualified attorneys, jurors, judges, and recorders, before it could be placed on the official selection list.
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Speaking a different language shouldn't take one out of the pool.
Do programming languages count?
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:54 PM
 
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Do programming languages count?

"Shall we play a game....."
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Old 08-13-2013, 05:04 PM
 
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Laws, they suck - apparently. Especially if they address matters of equality.

Yet, one of the most iconic laws in our nation still seems to baffle a certain crowd:

Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

The federal Civil Rights Act requires state courts that receive federal funds to provide interpreters to LEP (Limited English Proficiency) individuals in all civil and criminal cases. The constitutional guarantees of access to the courts, due process, equal protection and the right to counsel also require that interpreters be provided. The interpreters must be provided without charge. Courts must ensure that interpreters have essential language and interpreting skills. Judges and other court personnel must know when and how to use interpreters. And, courts must accord LEP individuals the same treatment they accord other individuals.

28 C.F.R. §42.101, et seq., and §42.201, et seq., prohibit discrimination on the basis of race, color, national origin, sex, and religion in DOJ-funded programs or activities.

See how easy that was? Who knew!

America - where we fight for equality even though some of our citizens are still stuck in the past.
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Old 08-13-2013, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Let the accused pick his language. Then just get personal translators for anyone in the courtroom that doesn't speak that language.

It's only fair..right ?

Spanish, Ebonics, Klingon..the accused has his rights.
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Old 08-13-2013, 05:31 PM
 
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Well true, but that is why Harrier's proposal would only allow for only a few select languages that reflect those used by a region's population.

A language should be spoken by enough people in the area so that there would never be a problem getting qualified attorneys, jurors, judges, and recorders, before it could be placed on the official selection list.
I still don't agree. This country's language is English (although not official on paper). All judicial procedures should be conducted in that language. You would have to assume that most people in a certain region doesn't also speak English and I don't think that would most likely be the case.
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Old 08-13-2013, 05:36 PM
 
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Laws, they suck - apparently. Especially if they address matters of equality.

Yet, one of the most iconic laws in our nation still seems to baffle a certain crowd:

Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

The federal Civil Rights Act requires state courts that receive federal funds to provide interpreters to LEP (Limited English Proficiency) individuals in all civil and criminal cases. The constitutional guarantees of access to the courts, due process, equal protection and the right to counsel also require that interpreters be provided. The interpreters must be provided without charge. Courts must ensure that interpreters have essential language and interpreting skills. Judges and other court personnel must know when and how to use interpreters. And, courts must accord LEP individuals the same treatment they accord other individuals.

28 C.F.R. §42.101, et seq., and §42.201, et seq., prohibit discrimination on the basis of race, color, national origin, sex, and religion in DOJ-funded programs or activities.

See how easy that was? Who knew!

America - where we fight for equality even though some of our citizens are still stuck in the past.
It's not about equality but using people for jury duty that are going to be able to understand what is going on. Someone's life could be at stake. I disagree that we should have to provide interpreters at the taxpayer expense. If you refuse to learn English then pay for your own interpreters.
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Old 08-13-2013, 05:45 PM
 
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I agree with your last statement. Yeah, let's just waste more taxpayer money providing translators to anyone who does not speak English or doesn't want to learn it.

As for having a trial in a foreign language I don't agree with that. The judge, jury and everyone else in the courtroom would have to know that language. Geez, this is an English speaking country and the fact that New Mexico has a large number of Hispanics should not have anything to do with it. They can't learn English like everyone else assuming that most of them are citizens of this country? Why do we keep pandering to these non-English speakers? Geez, sh*t or get off the pot. Sink or swim.
This is actually providing jobs for people in this country as they have to know English AND Spanish fully to be able to do the job, old yeller.

The trial is usually in both languages with the translator translating what the judge is saying. In New Mexico, the official language of the state is English and Spanish I believe. What would you have them do? You know since this bothers YOU so much, old glory, I have an idea. Why don't you volunteer to teach people English? I mean it bothers you so much so you can either be part of the PROBLEM or part of the SOLUTION. You could teach them English and then you wouldn't have to come onto an internet forum to complain about it all the time and we wouldn't have to see it. Immigrants win, you win, and all of CD wins. Hooray! haha.
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Old 08-13-2013, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Harrier can see a scenario where a defense attorney impeaches the competency of the interpreter so as to have grounds for a later appeal.
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Old 08-13-2013, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Don't you have to be a citizen to serve on a jury? How can a citizen not speak English? So much for the claims that Hispanics are assimilating linguistically into our country.
Linguistic assimilation tends to take a few generations.

My husband's parents (Ukrainian) became citizens and never spoke or read a word of English.

English is my husband's primary language.

Our children speak only English.

Their children will likely be fluent in Spanish and English.
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