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Old 08-13-2013, 06:15 PM
 
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Harrier can see a scenario where a defense attorney impeaches the competency of the interpreter so as to have grounds for a later appeal.
A relative who is in fact a Spanish Linguist was a senior prosecutor in Milwaukee. He believed the interpreters were a major problem. The interpreters were mainly Cuban and good at high Spanish. But they really could not do many Mexican or Puerto Rican dialects. They would sometimes completely mistranslate the statement made. He would try to put up with it but if it got too bad He would get a recess and get the Judge to replace the translator.

The rub here however it is pretty rare for anyone in the court room to be a linguist and able to get the matter attended to.

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Old 08-13-2013, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Don't you have to be a citizen to serve on a jury? How can a citizen not speak English? So much for the claims that Hispanics are assimilating linguistically into our country.
Please. I doubt a govt official would ever deny citizenship because someone can't speak English. The liberal press would have a fit.
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Old 08-13-2013, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Don't you have to be a citizen to serve on a jury? How can a citizen not speak English? So much for the claims that Hispanics are assimilating linguistically into our country.
You've even suggested the scenario yourself: Illegal alien parents take young child with them when they leave the country. Child later returns to the United States, without having gone through a U.S. school system.

There's other ways as well, but the point is that the law of New Mexico allows a U.S. citizen juror that speaks only Spanish...
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Old 08-13-2013, 07:38 PM
 
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Still waiting to see if OldGlory is going to actually help the immigrants by teaching them English, no word as of yet.
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Old 08-13-2013, 08:25 PM
 
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Don't you have to be a citizen to serve on a jury? How can a citizen not speak English? So much for the claims that Hispanics are assimilating linguistically into our country.
Oh for ****'s sake. Millions of born and bred citizens here don't speak English, case in point Puerto Rico, Mr. Hispanophobe. New Mexico is also another place, which has been heavily Hispanic since it was the New Mexico territory and before that

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47% of the people in New Mexico are Hispanic. (2012 census)
They are at a tipping point.
And we all know the majority get to make the rules.
Wow, you know at some point, New Mexico used to be close to 100% Hispanic Who cares??

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Then why isn't English the required language in the courts right now?
Because in New Mexico, Spanish has special status. It's had it for the past 100 years, not 10, not 20.
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Old 08-13-2013, 08:28 PM
 
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Linguistic assimilation tends to take a few generations.

My husband's parents (Ukrainian) became citizens and never spoke or read a word of English.

English is my husband's primary language.

Our children speak only English.

Their children will likely be fluent in Spanish and English.
I guess you don't know that in order to become a naturalized citizen you have to know and understand English. Only the elderly are exempt from that. Why in the world would it take several generations to learn a language?

My wife's grandparents came over here from Poland. Their kids learned and spoke perfect English. You were sayin?
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Old 08-13-2013, 08:29 PM
 
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Still waiting to see if OldGlory is going to actually help the immigrants by teaching them English, no word as of yet.
3% of Louisiana residents speak French in the home. There's also public funding of French immersion programs in certain Louisiana school districts. Where's the outrage over that? Oh yeah, because Jean-Pierre is a whitey, while José is probably a dirty Mexican illegal or anchor baby
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Old 08-13-2013, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Upper East Side of Texas
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A convicted murderer appealed his sentence because a Spanish-only speaking prospect juror was dismissed from jury duty. He lost the appeal but the NM Supreme Court ruled that lack of English is not a reason to exclude jurors, it violates their constitutional rights, and they must be accommodated with translators.

New Mexico ruling: Non-English speakers can be jurors - El Paso Times
This country is going to Hell in a hand basket much faster than I had previously imagined.
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Old 08-13-2013, 08:36 PM
 
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This country is going to Hell in a hand basket much faster than I had previously imagined.
Why? Because Spanish has special legal status in New Mexico since WWI, before any single one of us were born? Been 100 years, still don't see the country going to hell in a hand basket.
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Old 08-13-2013, 08:41 PM
 
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I guess you don't know that in order to become a naturalized citizen you have to know and understand English. Only the elderly are exempt from that. Why in the world would it take several generations to learn a language?

My wife's grandparents came over here from Poland. Their kids learned and spoke perfect English. You were sayin?
God, well I hope you woudn't treat her grandparents the way you rant and rave on here about hispanics. In fact, I know you probably wouldn't which says something. Anyways, I know you saw my post about teaching immigrants English, Oldglory(yes I even got your name right this time). So you up for it or what?

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3% of Louisiana residents speak French in the home. There's also public funding of French immersion programs in certain Louisiana school districts. Where's the outrage over that? Oh yeah, because Jean-Pierre is a whitey, while José is probably a dirty Mexican illegal or anchor baby
Actually I thought it was kinda cool that Spanish was spoken in New Mexico and French was spoken in Louisiana, but I get the feeling that you are probably right.
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