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If anything, being naturalized within the last fifty years is more stringent than it was before...
No -- they've even dropped the requirement to have made some effort to speak this country's language.
There is no requirement for the immigrant today to be capable of assimilating. Everything is being offered to them in their own country's language -- even food stamps.
If that's what you took home from it, then by all means go ahead. Pretty much everybody to the left of me, politically, knows what I mean by conservatives take being dumb and monolingual as a virtue. I know, lots of liberals have made the same point as well.
So? Good for you. I know some German as well thanks to half of my family being German citizens and taking up Japanese, but not to please you or to feel superior to others. It's for self enrichment.
That is so true!
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Yeah right -- if Mexicans knew English, there wouldn't be the big push to force Americans to learn Spanish to accomodate them as they pour over the southern border.
Umm when was the last time that you were in Mexico? the ones that are coming over here are typically not educated and after a certain point in schooling, they do have to pay money unlike people in the U.S.
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Again - check the topic of this thread -- and if immigrants from Mexico could learn English then why the Spanish speaking jurors? They aren't even learning English after they come to this land of plenty -- they didn't know it before arriving either.
Again - check the topic of this thread -- and if immigrants from Mexico could learn English then why the Spanish speaking jurors? They aren't even learning English after they come to this land of plenty -- they didn't know it before arriving either.
You're laying it on thick tonight. My wife had a good grasp of English before she immigrated from Mexico, as did her parents. Her oldest daughter had two years of mandatory English in school before coming here, and mainstreamed into High School without ESL classes. In five years, I've been amazed to see firsthand how an immigrant family has adapted to English and life in the United States.
So you aren't understanding that Mexico primarily teaches English as a second language, including that it is often mandatory within their school system?...
This makes no sense.
They can't speak or understand a lick of English when they get here (legally or illegally). That tells me either A) There must not be much effort put forth in those classes by the students or B) The teacher probably passes them on through without a care in the world. or C) Both
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Well -- yes the channel with the Bob and Tom show and the Alice Cooper show is broadcast from Juarez -- big deal, most radio stations on this side of the border are in all Spanish. You Tube videos in Spanish obviously.
Again -- they wouldn't be forcing Americans to learn Spanish to accomodate the massive numbers pouring over the borders if they immigrants were willing to learn any English. Even welfare office employees are required to speak Spanish so the immigrants don't have to be inconvenienced in any way.
You're double-posting responses again, I can tell when you are get hurried to switch the topic to the message you want to put out. Everything you say is countered by my personal experiences. What is the notion that you want to have in people's heads, and why?
You're laying it on thick tonight. My wife had a good grasp of English before she immigrated from Mexico, as did her parents. Her oldest daughter had two years of mandatory English in school before coming here, and mainstreamed into High School without ESL classes. In five years, I've been amazed to see firsthand how an immigrant family has adapted to English and life in the United States.
Your wife isn't all immigrants --- she might have a higher IQ, or more ability to learn and adapt but a very large number of immigrants and their children are not learning English --- or why else do they now have to accept Spanish speaking jurors? And even use tax dollars to provide translators?
Again -- this has nothing to do with native New Mexicans or those people living here when New Mexico became part of the USA --- THOSE people have learned English -- all of them, except for may a tiny handful of very elderly who were from very isolated rural areas.
You're double-posting responses again, I can tell when you are get hurried to switch the topic to the message you want to put out. Everything you say is countered by my personal experiences. What is the notion that you want to have in people's heads, and why?
You have one personal experience -- your wife.
I just gave a link on how the Spanish language channel has now surpassed the English ones. There is very little assimilation taking place.
They can't speak or understand a lick of English when they get here (legally or illegally). That tells me either A) There must not be much effort put forth in those classes by the students or B) The teacher probably passes them on through without a care in the world. or C) Both
And of couse that belief is supposed to negate my firsthand experience with a wife and stepchildren that have immigrated from Mexico?...
I just gave a link on how the Spanish language channel has now surpassed the English ones. There is very little assimilation taking place.
So what? Are foreigners not allowed to watch TV programs from their home country anymore? Japanese immigrants are not allowed to watch TV Japan or the NHK? Chinese immigrants are not allowed to watch CCTV? Everybody should be forced to watch TV that they are unfamiliar with and probably won't like? Should the only foreign channels to be aired here be the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation and BBC?
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