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Old 08-13-2013, 10:17 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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Sounds like a hit a nerve with somebody

If that's what you took home from it, then by all means go ahead. Pretty much everybody to the left of me, politically, knows what I mean by conservatives take being dumb and monolingual as a virtue. I know, lots of liberals have made the same point as well.

So? Good for you. I know some German as well thanks to half of my family being German citizens and taking up Japanese, but not to please you or to feel superior to others. It's for self enrichment.
No nerve. Just a distaste or dumb comments. Being neither liberal nor conservative I don't pay much credence to any of them.
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Old 08-13-2013, 10:22 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Press 1 for English 2 for Spanish. **** you I shouldn't have to press **** this is AMERICA got damn it!!!

Do you realize how much government waste goes into printing bi-lingual signs, pamphlets, & instructions?

We're bending over backwards for a country (Mexico) that cares nothing about learning to assimilate into America's & the World's society. In contrast, other 3rd World countries like the Phillipines teach English as a 2nd language their 1st day of grade school all the way till they graduate college. Mexico has no excuse.
So you aren't understanding that Mexico primarily teaches English as a second language, including that it is often mandatory within their school system?...
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Old 08-13-2013, 10:46 PM
 
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So you aren't understanding that Mexico primarily teaches English as a second language, including that it is often mandatory within their school system?...
Yeah right -- if Mexicans knew English, there wouldn't be the big push to force Americans to learn Spanish to accomodate them as they pour over the southern border.
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Old 08-13-2013, 10:47 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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I guess you don't know that in order to become a naturalized citizen you have to know and understand English. Only the elderly are exempt from that. Why in the world would it take several generations to learn a language?
Not entirely true. Generally the naturalization interview (which is typically conducted in English) has a section to transcribe a single spoken sentence in English, and to read another sentence that is written in English. Minor children also "naturalize" to U.S. citizenship when their parent(s) naturalize. There can be many different scenarios where a U.S. citizen may not know English.

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...My wife's grandparents came over here from Poland. Their kids learned and spoke perfect English. You were sayin?
Invalid testimonial...
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Old 08-13-2013, 10:50 PM
 
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Difference is, in New Mexico and Puerto Rico, Spanish has legal status in the constitutions. If people in New Mexico have a problem with it, amend the Constitution. But, it doesn't matter anyway since language is protected in the 1st Amendment and the Civil Rights Act as one poster above me mentioned.
Puerto Ricans might be refusing to learn any English but all New Mexicans who are actually from New Mexico have learned English. The Spanish is for immigrants who refuse to learn the language of this country not for those people who were native New Mexicans. About the only New Mexicans who have never learned any English would be in their 90s or 100s. Most learned English decades ago.
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Old 08-13-2013, 10:53 PM
 
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Not entirely true. Generally the naturalization interview (which is typically conducted in English) has a section to transcribe a single spoken sentence in English, and to read another sentence that is written in English. Minor children also "naturalize" to U.S. citizenship when their parent(s) naturalize. There can be many different scenarios where a U.S. citizen may not know English.



Invalid testimonial...
Only children of immigrants who refuse to have them learn this country's language. Yes, citizenship is becoming very cheap, nothing is expected of the immigrant --- just their desire for the easy life here, no effort of any kind to assimilate or adapt to this country's culture and language is required any more.
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Old 08-13-2013, 10:54 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Yeah right -- if Mexicans knew English, there wouldn't be the big push to force Americans to learn Spanish to accomodate them as they pour over the southern border.
Now I guess it's my turn to ask when the last time you were in Mexico. Chihuahua has radio stations with English language formats. Their teenagers are heavy into watching things like YouTube videos, and in social media that can involve English.
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Old 08-13-2013, 10:58 PM
 
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Now I guess it's my turn to ask when the last time you were in Mexico. Chihuahua has radio stations with English language formats. Their teenagers are heavy into watching things like YouTube videos, and in social media that can involve English.
Again - check the topic of this thread -- and if immigrants from Mexico could learn English then why the Spanish speaking jurors? They aren't even learning English after they come to this land of plenty -- they didn't know it before arriving either.
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Old 08-13-2013, 11:00 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Only children of immigrants who refuse to have them learn this country's language. Yes, citizenship is becoming very cheap, nothing is expected of the immigrant --- just their desire for the easy life here, no effort of any kind to assimilate or adapt to this country's culture and language is required any more.
If anything, being naturalized within the last fifty years is more stringent than it was before...
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Old 08-13-2013, 11:01 PM
 
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Now I guess it's my turn to ask when the last time you were in Mexico. Chihuahua has radio stations with English language formats. Their teenagers are heavy into watching things like YouTube videos, and in social media that can involve English.
Well -- yes the channel with the Bob and Tom show and the Alice Cooper show is broadcast from Juarez -- big deal, most radio stations on this side of the border are in all Spanish. You Tube videos in Spanish obviously.

Again -- they wouldn't be forcing Americans to learn Spanish to accomodate the massive numbers pouring over the borders if they immigrants were willing to learn any English. Even welfare office employees are required to speak Spanish so the immigrants don't have to be inconvenienced in any way.
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