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Some info on reparative therapy: DrThrockmorton.com and I realize that most people blow off any papers written by some religious, what it says is still very interesting and informative if one actually is interested in understanding the points of views of others.
Perhaps they have something else in common that is showing up. Genetics would indicate that it would have been present since the genetic line began. Are the genes some how defective as with a birth defect, something happened during the pregnancy? Also, if they are born that way, how do they bear to have sex with a gender that they have no desire for? That would be like me having sex with a woman but I would probably vomit the whole time or just at the thought of it so how does one stand having sex for 20, 30 or 40 years with someone with whom they are not sexually attracted? Also, what about the prison or other isolated populations where inmates with families that were heterosexuals are now attracted enough or desperate enough to have sexual relations with the same sex?
We all know that homosexuality was considered a mental health issue until I believe the mid-70's when after constant shout downs by groups that wanted that changed actually got it dropped as a mental health issue. If you actually can view a list of other associated problems like the higher tendency to suicide, what appears to be self-loathing, etc., I would fear that denying therapy fearing that it might be "reparative" in nature could result in very negative results for the person that was having a really hard time with their sexuality. And, what if the child/teen wants therapy. It is always possible that the child/teen really isn't gay as I have seen posts on other forums where someone fears being gay but most likely is bowing to stereotypes about male homosexuals being feminine or a female fears because she isn't the most feminine girl in the class and is being teased that she may be a homosexual like is being implies. What about these cases? I thought when someone was in therapy that generally, sessions were private.
Everyone knows that these kids are committing suicide so why deny therapy? Even in countries where homosexuality is accepted, they are still committing suicide so it comes from within where therapy can reach. They'll call it "reparative" and the children will get no therapy because the parents will fear intervention by the gestapo.
On the "born gay", can you provide links to the articles?
Lies. You've been duped. BTW, born gay doesn't necessarily have to be a genetic mutation. It's most likely a natural reaction that happens in utero. I could write pages about why what you believe is actually wrong, but why bother? You and your ilk care nothing for facts and science.
So the government now bans somebody who wants to seek therapy for being gay? Liberals of course rejoice at the government telling us what we can and can't do.
Actually anyone can seek therapy for anything. And although therapists can't change that sort of thing about a person (real therapists know this) they can help with acceptance overall mental well being. I'm just happy nobody will ever again be forced into this sort of thing by well meaning, but ignorant, people.
So the government now bans somebody who wants to seek therapy for being gay? Liberals of course rejoice at the government telling us what we can and can't do.
This ban is for children. Do you fully support people using any "medical" procedures on minors regardless of their efficacy? Shall we go back to drilling holes in people's heads?
You speak for all gays? I'm sure there are some gays that want desperately to change. Why would you deny them that chance? What are you threatened by? Don't gays argue that gay marriage is no threat to straight marriages so why is conversion therapy a threat to you?
Because it's proven ineffective and harmful. We don't let doctors just drill holes in people's heads for kicks, why would we let random therapists destroy children's lives with destructive methods?
People who keep arguing about being born gay need to show the proof. As of which they have not yet done. They can't even decide on a conclusive argument for it, some say it's in the genes, others it's in the womb, others it's hormones like. Make up your minds already. Sure you can find some flawed studies on the Internet that you agree with, but their are millions of these BS studies for EVERYTHING. Just like those "studies" that say black people are born with slower brains than whites, racists use those "studies" all the time because it makes them feel better, doesn't make those studies true. You need to show concrete, 100% proven and peer reviewed proof that people are born gay, until you do then the "born gay" theory is flawed.
Now I don't know what "reparitive" therapy is, never heard of it. But I can tell you that I personally do know people who have changed their sexuality. Call them fakes or whatever you want, but it's true. My sister became a lesbians after her ex boyfriend beat her so much, she was totally straight before that.
It's a lifestyle that people either are geared toward or choose because of environmental influences. Hence why straight men on prison often turn gay, and why women like my sister become lesbians. In ancient World, especially Greece and Rome, they were all gay/bi sexuality as the culture of that time encouraged it (again environment). Not saying it's a "choice" for everyone because some people were raised in an environment or had something happen that caused them to develop a gay lifestyle. This is the case with several gay youths. However it is a choice whether or not to remain gay, they can choose to develop a different lifestyle if they so choose.
Also in my psychology class we learned that everyone is innately bi sexuality, as in everyone finds both sexes attractive to a degree hence why straight men can find another man handsome and straight women find other women pretty, what causes sexual attractions towards a particular sex is the environment. It's not really a sexual orientation, it's really a sexual preferences.
It's similar to murderers. Are people born mass murderers? No obviously not, environmental influences caused them to become that way. Their brains may be a little different, but is that because of birth? No its because of their environmental development. We all have the potential to be murderers if our environment pushed us to be so, however we also have a choice not to be one as well. BTW I'm not saying gays are mass murderers either so don't take it out of context
Just repeating what I was taught. For the record, I am against making gay people change if they don't want to. It's their right to practice whatever lifestyle makes them happy, however I I think that for those who are unhappy their should be PROFESSIONAL help for them to help those who want to change.
The question was not whether it's a problem for licensed therapists to do this. I am asking if we actually have a problem with licensed therapists doing this.
Are those who do this licensed therapists?
The DSM no longer views homosexuality as a disorder, no need for a licensed therapist.
People who keep arguing about being born gay need to show the proof. As of which they have not yet done. They can't even decide on a conclusive argument for it, some say it's in the genes, others it's in the womb, others it's hormones like. Make up your minds already. Sure you can find some flawed studies on the Internet that you agree with, but their are millions of these BS studies for EVERYTHING. Just like those "studies" that say black people are born with slower brains than whites, racists use those "studies" all the time because it makes them feel better, doesn't make those studies true.
Now I don't know what "reparitive" therapy is, never heard of it. But I can tell you that I personally do know people who have changed their sexuality. Call them fakes or whatever you want, but it's true. My sister became a lesbians after her ex boyfriend beat her so much, she was totally straight before that.
It's a lifestyle that people either are geared toward or choose because of environmental influences. Hence why straight men on prison often turn gay, and why women like my sister become lesbians. In ancient World, especially Greece and Rome, they were all gay/bi sexuality as the culture of that time encouraged it (again environment). Not saying it's a "choice" for everyone because some people were raised in an environment or had something happen that caused them to develop a gay lifestyle. This is the case with several gay youths. However it is a choice whether or not to remain gay, they can choose to develop a different lifestyle if they so choose.
Also in my psychology class we learned that everyone is innately bi sexuality, as in everyone finds both sexes attractive to a degree hence why straight men can find another man handsome and straight women find other women pretty, what causes sexual attractions towards a particular sex is the environment. It's not really a sexual orientation, it's really a sexual preferences.
Just repeating what I was taught. For the record, I am against making gay people change if they don't want to. It's their right to practice whatever lifestyle makes them happy, however I I think that for those who are unhappy their should be PROFESSIONAL help for them to help those who want to change.
I don't think you realize the irony of demanding proof (no such thing as proof FYI), yet you present absolute nonsense out of the stone age without a shred of evidence to support your ridiculous beliefs.
I'd like to see him tap dance on both major parties and run as an Independent.
I wish he would too but it's doubtful. There are many democrats and independents who would vote for him. It's unfortunate he would never win the primary. Conservatives are so focused on getting a conservative elected though.
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