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View Poll Results: Intelligent Design?
Yes, teach it along with Evolution 22 15.28%
No, teach only Evolution 121 84.03%
No, teach only Intelligent Design 1 0.69%
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Old 08-24-2013, 05:49 PM
 
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Yawn. No one uses "Darwin" when debating evolution in 2013. You just outed yourself.



Evolution isn't the origin of life, it is the mechanism. You whole argument is basically we don't know everything so we don't know anything. How convenient.
"Here there be dragons"

Basically...

1. Life is too complex for him to understand...

Therefore... there be magic involved.


2. People who do have a far better understanding than him are all just idiots in a conspiracy to pull the wool over his eyes.

Therefore.... there be fear and anger.
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Old 08-24-2013, 05:57 PM
 
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This is Intelligent Design

Secret world of insects revealed in fascinating science photos from the Natural News Forensic Food Lab

Real science is awe inspiring. Why limit yourself to preconceived notions? Whatever created this is beyond our current comprehension.
I agree that "real science is awe inspiring", especially evolution by natural selection.

So why limit yourself to "here there be magic"?
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Old 08-24-2013, 06:09 PM
 
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Not rhetorical or tongue in cheek at all.

Where did I say unintelligent human behavior? I was clearly referring to evidence of 'unintelligent' design in the human body. eg the retina.

That you created such a silly straw man to knock down was not particularly intelligent of you.
Your claim that the design of the retina is unintelligent suggests you have ideas about a better design, and I'm sure that would be entertaining to hear. But the problem with this line of non-reasoning is that you aren't smart enough to make such a claim, and neither is anyone else residing on this planet. Until someone demonstrates the capability to design a better human being, it's safe to say we are the most intelligently designed game in town. Furthermore, such erroneous ideas do not address the mind boggling complexity of a single cell, let alone the 100 Trillion of them that make up one human body, which perform Trillions of tasks each second in harmony with the whole. Science cannot create even one living cell out of non living matter, let alone 100 trillion working together to create a human being ... so I would say that our very existence serves as the most intelligently designed thing that we know of ... with our brains more powerful and sophisticated than the most advanced super computer. (at least in terms of capability, but not necessarily utilized to any significant degree or the possibility).

In terms of computer technology .... try conceiving that the human body contains around 150 Trillion Gigabytes of genetic data across the entire structure ... that's 150 zettabytes, more than enough to fill every library's shelves on earth. And don't try to outdo the human body in data transfer rates either .... one typical human ejaculation transfers about 16,000 gigabytes of genetic information in about 5 seconds ... and that is like performing a full backup on 1400 typical computers in one second. No man made technology remotely comes close to this. Try as we may, we cannot come close to creating the complexity and capability inherent in biological life .... but this is no proof of intelligent design? Only a brainwashed crazy person would come to such a conclusion.

Retinas ....
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Old 08-24-2013, 06:23 PM
 
Location: NM
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My thoughts exactly. We'll just stay right below Turkey, which ranks #1 in nations surveyed for a majority population that buys into Creationism. Shameful...isn't it?
I *want* to say I'm completely shocked by those results, but.....I really am not surprised at all by those results. And yes it is quite shameful especially for the lone(for now) superpower of the planet.
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Old 08-24-2013, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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but this is no proof of intelligent design?
No.
Of course, we haven't even covered the silliest stuff. What is that appendix doing there? Nothing, just waiting to become infected and kill its owner. If you were designing a machine that had an oxygen metabolism and needed to take in food, would you plan to use the same passage for both functions? Yeah, that's good design. Would you naturally assume that the organ responsible for hearing would also house the mechanism of balance? If we were "intelligently" designed, why did the designer make our jaws too farking small for all of our teeth? Those "wisdom" teeth certainly don't seem like wise design. No, the human body is a massive collection of kludges and imperfections. It works, but is subject to an awful lot of failures and chronic problems. Elsewhere in creation, the story isn't any better. Most creatures are full of design flaws. From the panda's thumb, to the vestigial wings of flightless birds, to the hip bones deep inside of whales, to the parthenogenetic lizards of the genus Cnemdophorus, nature is full of kludges, half-measures, make-dos, re-works and downright crazy adaptations.
In fact, these misdesigns are some of the strongest arguments in favor of evolution. Those tails that human embryos have, then lose, are pretty obvious signs, aren't they? What about the fetal teeth of certain whales that form, but never erupt, then get reabsorbed? Sounds like evolution to me. Those flounders that are born with an eye on each side, but then one eye moves over to the other side: evolution or intelligent design? Flightless birds which nevertheless have hollow bones to conserve weight? Maybe God just likes his penguins to have hollow bones! Nearly all of the "design flaws" I have described make perfect sense if we assume evolution as the design mechanism. Evolution finds it much easier to adapt existing structures to new purposes (horses with one hoof still have bones inside to support three toes) than to invent from scratch.
AmbivaBlog: Not-So Intelligent Design
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Old 08-24-2013, 06:37 PM
 
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It's a matter of matter...

I don't know if matter was created...Bill Gaedes "rope hypothesis" is very fascinating stuff...hope it really goes somewhere. It hypothesizes that all matter is "chained" together by electromagnetic ropes between atoms..and light does not consist of any moving particles. It destroy's Olber's paradox. And it logically explains gravity.

It is being stonewalled by a lot of snobs because it goes against everything Einstein learned us..


07 What is light?

he also hypothesizes matter being perpetually "recycled" (which there is tons of scientific evidence to support this) and everything just exists..not previously. This would really put a gash in peoples perception of morality, among other things.
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Old 08-24-2013, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Retinas ....
Yes, retinas. Installed backwards, leaving us with a blind spot.
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Old 08-24-2013, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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OK, sit back and wait about 20 million years. You'll see evolution in action.
If it were true, we should be seeing apes break out of prisons and labs the world over, when they make that leap to human. Anybody caught that on film?
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Old 08-24-2013, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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It's a matter of matter...

I don't know if matter was created...Bill Gaedes "rope hypothesis" is very fascinating stuff...hope it really goes somewhere. It hypothesizes that all matter is "chained" together by electromagnetic ropes between atoms..and light does not consist of any moving particles. It destroy's Olber's paradox. And it logically explains gravity.

It is being stonewalled by a lot of snobs because it goes against everything Einstein learned us..


07 What is light?

he also hypothesizes matter being perpetually "recycled" (which there is tons of scientific evidence to support this) and everything just exists..not previously. This would really put a gash in peoples perception of morality, among other things.
Because all that is, is energy. All that ever was was energy. Energy will always be, and always has been - it just gets transformed into different vehicles. The human body is one vehicle of this visible-light dimension.
That's what I think. Evolution is junk science when applied to humans. I suppose one could say we evolve into different forms of energy when we die.
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Old 08-24-2013, 06:57 PM
 
Location: WA
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Yes, retinas. Installed backwards, leaving us with a blind spot.
The uterus could certainly be better designed to eliminated ectopic pregnancies. It'd also be nice if humans could synthesize their own Vitamin C like a dog can. Wisdom teeth that have to be removed. Knees that have to be operated upon. Bones that lose their calcium after the age of 30. Weak points in men's abdomens that give way to hernias. And geesh, the whole reproductive system is kind of a mess.

If God thought he was making a perfect life form, perhaps he should consider a career change.
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