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Old 09-17-2013, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Texas
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By 'work' the leftists mean they'll get more free sh*t from the taxpayers.
Poor taxpayers!

Getting back some of what they've paid in for decades.

Pubs HATE seeing tax dollars spent on taxpayers.
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Old 09-17-2013, 04:46 PM
 
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I am NOT wrong.

Are too!
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Old 09-17-2013, 04:48 PM
 
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How much subsidy are YOU expecting from taxpayers, Gringo?

100%?
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Old 09-17-2013, 04:51 PM
 
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The GOP is really setting themselves for a disappointing 2016.
Well there is talk of secession as it is. Obama care is unconstitutional period. You Democrats can have it, but you will have to pay for it.
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Old 09-17-2013, 04:52 PM
 
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Are too!
Tell you what...

Tell me this. Would you let me make your financial choices for you? To decide what to buy, what to spend your money on, and what to give away?
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Old 09-17-2013, 04:56 PM
 
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The GOP hated social security. They hated medicare. But the public likes both quite a bit. Today, any politician of either party who goes on the record wanting to repeal either program is a dead duck. Accordingly, the pubs want to do anything they can to derail Obamacare before it takes hold, because people are going to like it, too. Spending taxpayer dollars on taxpayers goes against everything they stand for.
Well that is why they blocked Obama on EVERYTHING he attempted to do. His successes made their obstruction and failures all the more obvious and pathetic in the public eye. The only way they can get any traction in the 2016 election is by utilizing their now infamous voter suppression tactics. But we're onto them...
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Old 09-17-2013, 04:58 PM
 
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Well that is why they blocked Obama on EVERYTHING he attempted to do. His successes made their obstruction and failures all the more obvious and pathetic in the public eye. The only way they can get any traction in the 2016 election is by utilizing their now infamous voter suppression tactics. But we're onto them...
Obama has none.

He hasn't tried to do a good thing yet.
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Old 09-17-2013, 05:03 PM
 
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Well there is talk of secession as it is. Obama care is unconstitutional period. You Democrats can have it, but you will have to pay for it.
I have been hoping upon hope for seccession, but alas, they were just empty promises by the right wing after the election. I already have insurance, but that does not mean that I do not support others having access to it. I'm an empathetic person.

BTW...

If Health Insurance Mandates Are Unconstitutional, Why Did the Founding Fathers Back Them?

The founding fathers, it turns out, passed several mandates of their own. In 1790, the very first Congress—which incidentally included 20 framers—passed a law that included a mandate: namely, a requirement that ship owners buy medical insurance for their seamen. This law was then signed by another framer: President George Washington. That’s right, the father of our country had no difficulty imposing a health insurance mandate.

Six years later, in 1798, Congress addressed the problem that the employer mandate to buy medical insurance for seamen covered drugs and physician services but not hospital stays. And you know what this Congress, with five framers serving in it, did? It enacted a federal law requiring the seamen to buy hospital insurance for themselves. That’s right, Congress enacted an individual mandate requiring the purchase of health insurance. And this act was signed by another founder, President John Adams.

Not only did most framers support these federal mandates to buy firearms and health insurance, but there is no evidence that any of the few framers who voted against these mandates ever objected on constitutional grounds. Presumably one would have done so if there was some unstated original understanding that such federal mandates were unconstitutional. Moreover, no one thought these past purchase mandates were problematic enough to challenge legally.

If Health Insurance Mandates Are Unconstitutional, Why Did the Founding Fathers Back Them?
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Old 09-17-2013, 05:05 PM
 
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I have been hoping upon hope for seccession, but alas, they were just empty promises by the right wing after the election. I already have insurance, but that does not mean that I do not support others having access to it. I'm an empathetic person.

BTW...

If Health Insurance Mandates Are Unconstitutional, Why Did the Founding Fathers Back Them?

The founding fathers, it turns out, passed several mandates of their own. In 1790, the very first Congress—which incidentally included 20 framers—passed a law that included a mandate: namely, a requirement that ship owners buy medical insurance for their seamen. This law was then signed by another framer: President George Washington. That’s right, the father of our country had no difficulty imposing a health insurance mandate.

Six years later, in 1798, Congress addressed the problem that the employer mandate to buy medical insurance for seamen covered drugs and physician services but not hospital stays. And you know what this Congress, with five framers serving in it, did? It enacted a federal law requiring the seamen to buy hospital insurance for themselves. That’s right, Congress enacted an individual mandate requiring the purchase of health insurance. And this act was signed by another founder, President John Adams.

Not only did most framers support these federal mandates to buy firearms and health insurance, but there is no evidence that any of the few framers who voted against these mandates ever objected on constitutional grounds. Presumably one would have done so if there was some unstated original understanding that such federal mandates were unconstitutional. Moreover, no one thought these past purchase mandates were problematic enough to challenge legally.

If Health Insurance Mandates Are Unconstitutional, Why Did the Founding Fathers Back Them?
Wow, what nonsense.
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Old 09-17-2013, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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But it seems like Heritage didn't finish reading their own poll. Because when respondents were asked whom they'd blame for a government shutdown over Obamacare, the top response was Republicans in Congress. That fallout is far from imaginary. Moreover, the if Heritage had actually read the poll, they'd have seen that a majority of Republicans think the Affordable Care Act should be kept in place. Only 44.5% of respondents said they "oppose the health care law and think it should be repealed," while 52% said they "either support the law as is or have some concerns, but say they think implementation should move forward."
BOR: Oops! Heritage Foundation Poll Accidentally Reveals Republicans Like Obamacare

The Heritage poll is just the latest in GOP efforts to trick the American public into thinking Obamacare is unpopular. Though Republicans like to ramble about how Americans don't support Obamacare, the fact is that's simply untrue. A nonpartisan 2013 Kaiser Family Foundation poll found that the majority of Americans support almost every component of the Affordable Care Act. This includes Republicans--Kaiser found that "Republicans feel favorable towards seven of the 11 provisions" of Obamacare asked about in the poll, including tax credits to small businesses, closing the Medicare "doughnut hole", and healthcare exchanges
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