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Old 09-25-2013, 10:14 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Dr. Pepper Man View Post
No Vacation Time Mandate by Employer
Why should there be?
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No Free Healthcare 1776-2013
That's a good thing.
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The Pledge of Allegiance
People should pledge their allegiance. Germans should pledge their allegiance to Germany. Chinese should pledge their allegiance to China. And Americans should pledge their allegiance to America.
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Low Minimum Wage
The lower the better.
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No Pay Maternity Leave
That's a good thing. Is the employer impregnating the employee? No? Well then why should the employer be responsible for paying for that employee's time off work to care for the baby?

 
Old 09-25-2013, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Gone
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Im embarrassed for people who believe they are entitled to those things.
You mean like vacation and healthcare benefits which have always been considered to be part of your salary/emplyment benefits package? You mean like spending some of your profits on those that helped you get them, your emplyees? The right has done the the work of their Big Business handlers very well, too bad they are too stupid to know they are working against their own self interests. What do have against the Pledge?
 
Old 09-25-2013, 10:15 AM
 
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Why should there be?

That's a good thing.

People should pledge their allegiance. Germans should pledge their allegiance to Germany. Chinese should pledge their allegiance to China. And Americans should pledge their allegiance to America.

The lower the better.

That's a good thing. Is the employer impregnating the employee? No? Well then why should the employer be responsible for paying for that employee's time off work to care for the baby?
Spoken like a true Pawn
 
Old 09-25-2013, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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I took the OP to be implying he or she is contrasting the U.S. to much of Western Europe.



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The US Military provides all of that to their members. Most unions do I imagine. Federal civilian employees do. I'm guessing Walmart doesn't and such like them.

What is your point btw? Is that "native American"? South American? North American? Central American? African-American? Mexican-American? Who?
You are right about the U.S. military including free dental care (a big plus in my opinion). The U.S. military probably doesn't have a budget large enough to be the sole employer of all U.S. citizens (non-citizens serve in the U.S. military too) though.

Unions typically don't provide free health care. The construction unions in Milwaukee provide a 80/20 plan where the union or employer pays 80% of the cost if I remember correctly. I think the union member is still responsible for the deductible

I get free medical care through the VA. It's good medical care too, especially in terms of medication, which costs an arm and a leg in the private sector world.

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I am NOT ashamed at being a citizen of the United States of America. I am more ashamed of our "leadership" and the terrible lack of ethics. Our current regime is selective on the laws it will enforce such as immigration law. You won't find a more generous population on the planet than US "Americans".
@ bold: that's a tired exaggeration. And just from dealing with non-Americans the meanest people on the planet I've met thus far are Americans hands down. Well... maybe Mexico's cops are worse, but the Mexicans moving into the U.S., while gritty on their own terms too at times, are far more hospitable and respectful than young Black-Americans. I would say the Mexicans are more hospital to a stranger than White-Americans in general too. Although White-Americans aren't typically nowhere near as violent or hostile or mean as Black-Americans, they can still be mean in their unemotionally distant and ignoring non-whites way.

Those are generalizations of course. But borne out of truth I believe. Some of the American hospital staff that treated me were very charitable. Particularly one surgeon and one nurse. But on the streets its another matter. Americans are not as generous as Europeans towards their own citizens. Perhaps this is rooted in the American culture of appealing to the greed in every impoverished hillbilly telling them to cheerlead for some fat cats like Carlos Slim and Bill Gates because they too can be like that one day. Yeah, you too can fly to the moon one day or become President of the United States or Mexico, but how likely is that? A sweepstakes dream. An addicted gamblers dream.

And others around the world, depending on the country and culture, will share more of what they have than Americans I believe.
 
Old 09-25-2013, 10:31 AM
 
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Nice two step. Maybe you were caught being the impertinent MR Bach that we've grown to know and love here @ CD


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I believe you are wrong....The youngest daughter was living in Toronto studying to be a chef...I am sure it was not the first time they were in Toronto...The question asked by the woman was obscure...Even I who live in the city could not give an answer....It was impossible that the Americans could respond...No....there were no assumptions made...it was the word the phrase "They are Americans" that made grandmas eyes bulge in embarrassment...They just wanted to fit into the Canadian landscape...they were on their way to the museum - They really liked Toronto....Jokingly I asked if they had brought their guns...Grandma smiled and said..."No- we left them at home".... Our conversation lasted almost half an hour....The impression I got was that these Texans wished America was a little more Canadian.


The other thing that came up on it's own regarding law and order...was the fact that Texas executes far to many people....The older woman thought that was something to be ashamed of.
 
Old 09-25-2013, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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You want to talk about what we -should- feel entitled to, let's talk something
the majority of people will actually benefit from. Men don't get pregnant. They
can't benefit from maternity leave. Most people don't get paid minimum wage -
they wouldn't benefit from a higher one and would actually suffer from it
because of higher prices to the consumer. Hourly employees typically DO get paid
vacation time - however, some don't, but on the other hand, those are the types
of jobs where you're only working 3 days a week anyway - you get 4 days
"vacation" every week. If you want to get paid for them, get a second job and
work for those other 4 days. Job #1 shouldn't be responsible for padding your
paycheck for time you don't work, just because you feel like taking time off.
That is a privilege, and not a right.
Men can't get pregnant, true, but men up here ARE entitled to paternity leave...quite a lot of it. It builds stronger families and gives tired new parents time to bond with their infants.

On top of mandating maternity leave, the government offers paid leave for one or both parents through Canada’s employment insurance plan. A pregnant employee or new mother can take a paid maternity leave of up to 15 weeks. Either the mother or father can take 35 weeks of parental leave after the baby is born or adopted. The parents can share the leave however they choose. If eligible for the program, the benefits equal 55 per cent of the parent’s average weekly insurable wage, up to a maximum of $485 per week. For low-income families, the rate of benefits can increase to up to 80 per cent, with the same maximum of $485 per week. Employment insurance benefits are taxable in the same way as wages.
Maternity leave basics: Canada vs. the U.S. - The Globe and Mail

Maternity and parental benefits provided for the birth or adoption of a baby varies wildly from country to country. The United States is part of a very exclusive group – but not for the reasons you might suspect. It shares the spotlight with Papua New Guinea, Swaziland, Liberia and Lesotho as one of the only countries in the world that doesn’t mandate some type of paid maternity leave for new mothers according to a study done by McGill University’s Institute for Health and Social Policy. In fact, when compared to its northern neighbour, the U.S. maternity leave policy is embarrassingly sparse.

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Old 09-25-2013, 11:04 AM
 
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Who is it that is an island on to themselves? Whether it be the pauper or the millionaire...all people are dependent on other people and the actions of other people....no human being can "take care" of themselves fully...We are human beings - We are dependent as infants...dependent in old age...and in the middle even the millionaire is dependent on the sustaining of his personal wealth through others...and their work...a slave master is dependent on his slaves....

It's not about socialism it is about giving a damn about your fellow human being. America should only be embarrassed because they have developed a society where the rule is - every man for himself...There is one thing that I noticed..It is absolutely true that behind every great fortune there is a great crime...Whether that crime is technically illegal or socially condoned and legal...

The Roman empire became dependent on plunder and slavery...America whether it knows it or not is the same...When there was a manufacturing base....people worked for themselves....now America is back to being dependent on war for profit...and slavery. They have become bean counters who sit and click at computers and depend on slaves in China - India....Mexico...South America...Africa...etc....All empires that embrace slavery and plunder for their own survival fall.
I must commend you on your excellent use of a false dichotomy.
 
Old 09-25-2013, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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No Vacation Time Mandate by Employer
No Free Healthcare 1776-2013
The Pledge of Allegiance
Low Minimum Wage
No Pay Maternity Leave
You do not have to be an American....just sayin. Thinking you may be proud to be a Russian. They have mass graves that they are still finding poor peasant farmers stuffed in and you all know how much Putin loves gay people....you do know don't you.
 
Old 09-25-2013, 11:19 AM
 
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You do not have to be an American....just sayin. Thinking you may be proud to be a Russian. They have mass graves that they are still finding poor peasant farmers stuffed in and you all know how much Putin loves gay people....you do know don't you.
Actually it is the righties that have been singing the praises of Putin and Russia as of late, so the better idea would be for them to go join him where they would be far happier and the rest of America can contionue to move forward and improve.
 
Old 09-25-2013, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Actually it is the righties that have been singing the praises of Putin and Russia as of late, so the better idea would be for them to go join him where they would be far happier and the rest of America can contionue to move forward and improve.
No kidding! It boggles the mind. I'll bet they duct tape this picture onto the back of their wives' heads during sex.

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