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Democrats and Republicans sitting at a table, negotating the problems so government can be re-opened..
You'll recognize the Demos from the Republicans immediately. The Democrats are the ones in the empty chairs... Guess the empty chair scenario was dead on..
There is no necessity of negotiating a law that has been on the books for three or four years inorder for the government to be re-opened.
If the Speaker of the House would bring to the floor a clean Continuing Resolution Bill as passed by the US Senate.....it would win by a bi-partisan majority of the elected Representative. There are enough bi-partisan votes to re-open government today!
It is the lack of legislative courage that keeps the Speaker from stepping up and putting an end to this debacle and getting back to work on the people's business. "Jobs Jobs Jobs" What ever happened to that? Now the Republicans are all about wrecking ball to the recovering economy and throwing people out of work.......at the tune of millions of dollars daily as long as this continues.
Shouldn't this thread be about the shutdown as such, like its consequences etc., rather than about health care reform? Just wondering...
For instance, if any of you are affected, do you enjoy your days off?
The Cons can't help re-arguing healthcare reform, an area that they lost through the democratic process. As such, they now are using blackmail and extortion and considering it a new way of getting their way.
There is no necessity of negotiating a law that has been on the books for three or four years inorder for the government to be re-opened.
If the Speaker of the House would bring to the floor a clean Continuing Resolution Bill as passed by the US Senate.....it would win by a bi-partisan majority of the elected Representative. There are enough bi-partisan votes to re-open government today!
It is the lack of legislative courage that keeps the Speaker from stepping up and putting an end to this debacle and getting back to work on the people's business. "Jobs Jobs Jobs" What ever happened to that? Now the Republicans are all about wrecking ball to the recovering economy and throwing people out of work.......at the tune of millions of dollars daily as long as this continues.
Slavery was on the books for decades.. banning gays, probably a century..
There is no necessity of negotiating a law that has been on the books for three or four years inorder for the government to be re-opened.
If the Speaker of the House would bring to the floor a clean Continuing Resolution Bill as passed by the US Senate.....it would win by a bi-partisan majority of the elected Representative. There are enough bi-partisan votes to re-open government today!
It is the lack of legislative courage that keeps the Speaker from stepping up and putting an end to this debacle and getting back to work on the people's business. "Jobs Jobs Jobs" What ever happened to that? Now the Republicans are all about wrecking ball to the recovering economy and throwing people out of work.......at the tune of millions of dollars daily as long as this continues.
I think that is the point. Boehner is not in charge. He is afraid of the knuckleheads who are now the GOP base. He cares more about being speaker than leading the House.
If you want to change a law such as laws supporting slavery or denying civil rights to gays......it is done via the legislative process or failing that.....the Justice department ..... it has not and should not be done by shutting down government by withholding funding for essential services and wrecking the economy.
Winning elections is one of the steps necessary to use the legislative process and respecting the tradition of majority rules.
Considering that they shut down the government on a fight they cannot win, over the objections of a majority of Americans, who reelected the President on this signature issue, what will rise from the ashes after this latest Republican suicide mission?
Time is on the Democrats side. Over time, the popularity of this program will continue to grow as it becomes more streamlined and accessible, and people will always remember this crazed attempt to focus on killing this legislation, which has been legislated, adjudicated and is clearly in great demand by voters, how will these people ever be trusted to act like thinking, mature adults in leadership positions?
This party needs to be rebuilt from the ground up, and Democrats should be loving what is happening today. Thankfully, these antics are not soon to be forgotten, and are likely to be perhaps the Democrats best recruitment tool for new, future voters.
Serious question, in your opinion why did they wait 3 years (after the election no less) to implement it?
If you want to change a law such as laws supporting slavery or denying civil rights to gays......it is done via the legislative process or failing that.....the Justice department ..... it has not and should not be done by shutting down government by withholding funding for essential services and wrecking the economy.
And part of the legislative process is budgeting for those legislative laws you pass.. Democrats didnt, and it sure in hell wont wreck the economy.. For gods sakes stop with the talking points and think... SAVING MONEY does NOT crash an economy..
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Originally Posted by elston
Winning elections is one of the steps necessary to use the legislative process and respecting the tradition of majority rules.
WRONG.. majority rules in a Democracy, we are a Representative Republic.. and if you want to now proclaim majority rules, Obamacare NEVER would have become law because majority doesnt support it..
A Represesentative Republic is to protect the MINORITY, not mob rule. Just like gays should marry, despite not being a majority, and slavery was wrong, despite slaves not being a majority. THIS IS WRONG..
Republicans clearly won enough of the election, to shut down the government because your side, never budgeted the $100 BILLION for the bill, causing you left wing kooks to cry that the world is going to end.. guess what, its not..
Where was this concern over following the legislative process when the Democratic Senate passed a tax increase, before the House, in violation of the Constitution?
If you want to change a law such as laws supporting slavery or denying civil rights to gays......it is done via the legislative process or failing that.....the Justice department ..... it has not and should not be done by shutting down government by withholding funding for essential services and wrecking the economy.
Winning elections is one of the steps necessary to use the legislative process and respecting the tradition of majority rules.
So, I guess all dems just said we argee with what Bush was doing up until 2007, right?
Somebody needs to tell barry and Reid and their goons that they don't own the government buildings and our national landmarks or even the whole country for that matter. If our people want to go visit these memorials, they will. No arrests and there will be PLENTY of volunteers around to help visitors see them.
Here's the message I've been e-mailing every Republican in congress:
What the Republican Congressmen are doing to America right now is completely contemptible.
I'm not a Democrat. I'm a well educated, gainfully employed individual who just wants what is best for America. I vote for individuals, not by party, and have voted Republican on the local level. I am your typical voter base - White and a Midwesterner. But I DESPISE the Republican party at the national level.
Throwing a hissy fit at the last possible minute just because Republicans didn't get their way when it comes to this attempt to fix America's problem health care system is: Childish, Ignorant, and Despicable.
Please don't behave this way! Please at least attempt to behave like normal, decent human beings!
I'd encourage every one of you to e-mail the Congressional Republicans to voice your disgust. You can find their e-mail addresses at: www.congress.gov
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