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Is this how the GOP is going to sell it when they realize they are going to lose the house?
They can't. The only thing left is to hang it up and move on. The longer they try to get something, the longer the public anger towards them stays hot. The hotter the anger remains, the less their chances of winning next year become.
The GOP's best chance for incumbent survival is to fold their hand right now. They need to do it fast- their voters are going to require a long time to cool down after this debacle, and the primaries begin in only 3 months.
They can't. The only thing left is to hang it up and move on. The longer they try to get something, the longer the public anger towards them stays hot. The hotter the anger remains, the less their chances of winning next year become.
The GOP's best chance for incumbent survival is to fold their hand right now. They need to do it fast- their voters are going to require a long time to cool down after this debacle, and the primaries begin in only 3 months.
How depressing is that? We live in a never ending cycle of constant electioneering in this country these days.
But just imagine the imagery that is going to be available for anyone running against a Tea Party candidate. The GOP has really handed the Democrats their campaign message on a golden platter, complete with optics. I'm sure the GOP will try to use them as well, but given that the majority of the country lays the blame for this shutdown at their feet, they will have to be very careful about reminding the electorate of the havoc they wrought on the country. I'd like to see the left use hard numbers of what this useless Tea Party action cost the country. Just put the numbers up on the screen over pictures of Ted Cruz and company filibustering on the Senate floor. No audio needed.
What? A Congresswoman, who is also a conservative. Can't be. What about this awful tea-party inspired war on women. What a bunch of schmucks the pwogs are.
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Originally Posted by brentwoodgirl
Listening to a conference call with my House Rep right now. She's discussing the fact that the House has passed a budget every single year. So half of Congress is getting their budget done. The other half just wants a blank check for a bigger amount each time (oops, I mean "clean CR").
Although the Dems did offer to keep it the same this time, which Obama said was disastrous and would hurt jobs. "Only" going $2 Billion in debt a day is too little debt for this idiot president.
They haven't yet? What is that brown smear on their face?Oh?
I'm not sure why that possibility was not obvious.
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Originally Posted by Red_Diamond
They are upset with it because they have been TOLD to be upset with it. If their beloved administration told them to stick their heads in the ground, they'd be out this very moment looking for a nice soft piece of turf with which to do it in.
It wasn't so long ago by European standards where things that happened 1000 years ago are remembered. But back when our government was first conceived it took days if not weeks to get hand carry communications to some frontier outpost in the original Northwest territories! Also back in those halcyon days the price of a single F-35 Lightening 2 Attack -Fighter plane (Est cost over 100 million dollars) would have paid for our common defense during all eight years of George Washington's Presidency with enough left over to fight the War of 1812. So wishing for this fondly remembered Golden Era is of little or no taxes and where its every man for himself is now impossible in a modern urban America where death canrain down from the sky and things needed to be answered the day before yesterday. An America with the telecommunications and the computing power to keep a fix on where every person is what he is thinking and what he is doing every second of our lives. The future will belong to the quick and those that can't or won't keep up and play the game will be the 21st Century LOSERS.
Even silly pieces of the US Constitution like the 2nd Ammendment made sense in the 18th Century when it took months for one of the Europesn powers like Britain, Spain or France to send a punitive raid to punish the Colonial Upstarts. There was more than enough time to pass the word around and assemble every man on the town Green or Village square into a militia line each carrying his trusty long rifle and his shot pouch with powder and a spare flit or two) and shot lovingly made by his wife or children by melting down a pewter dish or cup in the pantry.
You pwogs better take a closer look at Justice Roberts' PPACA ruling. THIS is the political process under our constitution. From the ruling.
“Our deference in matters of policy cannot, however, become abdication in matters of law,†writes Roberts, who goes on to quote from Chief Justice Marshall’s Marbury v. Madison opinion, “The powers of the legislature are defined and limited; and that those limits may not be mistaken, or forgotten, the constitution is written.â€
On forcing states to expand medicaid Roberts went on, “Permitting the Federal Government to force the States to implement a federal program would threaten the political accountability key to our federal system.â€
Per Roberts and liberal Justices Kagan and Breyer, joined him and four other Justices in saying the States, as sovereign entities, must have the liberty to choose whether or not to participate in this federal project.
Roberts writes, “The Court today limits the financial pressure the Secretary may apply to induce States to accept the terms of the Medicaid expansion. As a practical matter, that means States may now choose to reject the expansion; that is the whole point.â€
More on the politics (bold emphasis mine).
“Members of this Court are vested with the authority to interpret the law; we possess neither the expertise nor the prerogative to make policy judgments. Those decisions are entrusted to our Nation’s elected leaders, who can be thrown out of office if the people disagree with them. It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.â€
So, be frustrated, flustered, flumoxed, but know this is nothing more than the political process envisioned and crafted by our founders. And, nothing less.
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Originally Posted by ambient
When you say "Obama demands his way," you really mean "Obama is implementing a law that was duly passed into law by the legislative and executive process and then upheld by the judicial process."
Sorry you don't like the law, but you don't get to dictate the outcome. We have a Constitutional process that you should respect.
It doesn't seem to matter to liberals. They want their agenda passed no matter what, it seems. But what else is new?
We have to protect the constitutional right to an abortion, but need to restrict owning guns. Subsidies to farms and big oil are evil, but subsidies to windmills and solar companies are fine. Bush was a cowboy warmonger, but Obama attacking Libya and putting us on the brink of war over Syria were fine. Bush's 400 billion dollar deficits were ruining the economy, but Obama's 1 trillion dollar deficits are saving the economy.
I no longer expect any consistency from liberals. They are emotional ideologues, pure and simple. They will twist reality and facts any way they can to make themselves look good. Obama declared he'd veto any attempt to get around sequestration, then went on a speech tour blaming sequestration on Republicans. And liberals accepted that just fine. They have no principles. When Bush was President, they declared that dissent was the highest form of patriotism. Now it is obstructionism and economic terrorism.
Since 1929, this nation has not had a Conservative President, to compare.
Yes, there have been Republicans, but what exactly made anyone call them conservative. Because they said they were?
Is this like McCain & Romney saying they were the Conservative voice?
I just don't understand why people don't understand both they and the government must live within their means. Isn't this the same thing that happened before the housing crash. People bought more than they could afford, they borrowed against their houses, they used credit cards to support a lifestyle they could not really afford.
How depressing is that? We live in a never ending cycle of constant electioneering in this country these days.
But just imagine the imagery that is going to be available for anyone running against a Tea Party candidate. The GOP has really handed the Democrats their campaign message on a golden platter, complete with optics. I'm sure the GOP will try to use them as well, but given that the majority of the country lays the blame for this shutdown at their feet, they will have to be very careful about reminding the electorate of the havoc they wrought on the country. I'd like to see the left use hard numbers of what this useless Tea Party action cost the country. Just put the numbers up on the screen over pictures of Ted Cruz and company filibustering on the Senate floor. No audio needed.
Very depressing.
For a party that uses 'common sense' in every other sentence, the gleefulness the GOP House members displayed when the government was shut down was everything but common sense.
Too many of them skipped merrily over the line that separates irresponsibility and lunacy, and those who were still functional public servants lacked the guts to stop them.
Now that the high fives and giggles have stopped in the face of public rage, are the good responsible Republicans going to summon up the courage to actually oppose the angry nut bags? Or are they going to chicken out and bugger off once more while that little band of surly copperheads do their best to drag us all down into anarchy and a replay of the Great Depression?
Shame on them all. The United States of America is not their plaything, even if they are developmentally challenged.
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What a bunch of schmucks the pwogs are.
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