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Old 10-31-2013, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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I was assuming they would write the check for the "full monthly premium" then basically be rebated the money at tax time as a credit on the 1040. Was I wrong?
Yes.
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Old 10-31-2013, 03:20 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The subsidy reduces the amount you pay each month.
It's a tax credit. Accessing it early wouldn't be possible unless everyone could access all their tax credits early according to the Constitution's equal protection clause.
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Old 10-31-2013, 03:25 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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LOL...
USA has been socialist since 1935, and FICA.
That did not make us "socialists." Even if the FICA was a socialistic idea, and FDR was a socialist (which he was).
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Old 10-31-2013, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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Seeing as how the top 10% of earners in this country pay 70% of the taxes, I don't get the logic of your statement.
Sure, because they make so very much more money.

The poor pay higher rates than the rich - state and local:
"Payroll taxes aren't progressive, for example. In fact, they're actively regressive, with the poor and middle classes paying higher rates than the rich."
Soaking the Poor, State by State | Mother Jones

Many of us are not in touch with this:
Poverty traps: Americans' 90% tax rate - CNN.com
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Old 10-31-2013, 05:41 PM
 
Location: State of Being
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Sure, because they make so very much more money.

The poor pay higher rates than the rich - state and local:
"Payroll taxes aren't progressive, for example. In fact, they're actively regressive, with the poor and middle classes paying higher rates than the rich."
Soaking the Poor, State by State | Mother Jones

Many of us are not in touch with this:
Poverty traps: Americans' 90% tax rate - CNN.com
Of course they make more money and thus generate taxes. They are taxed at higher rates, too.

The fact still remains - they are already putting into the basket 70% of the taxes in the nation.

I guess you would prefer they put in 100% of the taxes and no one under $250,000 salary pay any taxes?

All the charts can't change the fact that the wealthy in this country are paying 70% of the tax revenue that is collected.
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Old 10-31-2013, 05:43 PM
 
Location: State of Being
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The subsidy reduces the amount you pay each month.
And you are sure about that? Because it is referred to as a tax credit.

If it is a matter of reducing payment every month, then folks are going to claim it even if they make more money than the qualifying amounts.

I can't imagine that the IRS will let that slip by . . .

I would very much appreciate some link showing that folks are going to write out checks equal to the subsidized amount instead of writing out premiums for the full amount - and getting a tax credit.

I hope you are right!
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Old 10-31-2013, 05:45 PM
 
Location: State of Being
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It's a tax credit. Accessing it early wouldn't be possible unless everyone could access all their tax credits early according to the Constitution's equal protection clause.
So you are saying my premise is correct - you pay the full amount every month and then when you do your taxes, you will be able to claim that credit.

Correct?
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Old 10-31-2013, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Just transplanted to FL from the N GA mountains
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This is why I can't figure out how it is going to be considered a credit on the 1040. Either folks will have to write a check for the whole monthly (which ya'll have said isn't going to happen).. and you would get the credit (as a paid on your behalf section of the 1040). Basically an EIC credit which would rebate that money back.

If you only write the check for your part.. then basically in order for the insurance co. to get their money, the government will basically have to "write a check" to the insurance company. Now whether they'll do this on a 30/60/90 day net who knows? But then.... why would anyone get a credit on their tax form... There has been no expense to the taxpayer to have credit for? Unless they then will get a rebate... which in fact would be double dipping the till. Once to the Ins. company and once to the taxpayer.

The other option would be to make the premiums paid by the consumer deductible... thus lowering taxable income, but that would mean everyone getting a subsidy would most likely have to itemize right? So that won't work... HHHmmm...
Strange........
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Old 10-31-2013, 06:32 PM
 
Location: State of Being
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This is why I can't figure out how it is going to be considered a credit on the 1040. Either folks will have to write a check for the whole monthly (which ya'll have said isn't going to happen).. and you would get the credit (as a paid on your behalf section of the 1040). Basically an EIC credit which would rebate that money back.

If you only write the check for your part.. then basically in order for the insurance co. to get their money, the government will basically have to "write a check" to the insurance company. Now whether they'll do this on a 30/60/90 day net who knows? But then.... why would anyone get a credit on their tax form... There has been no expense to the taxpayer to have credit for? Unless they then will get a rebate... which in fact would be double dipping the till. Once to the Ins. company and once to the taxpayer.

The other option would be to make the premiums paid by the consumer deductible... thus lowering taxable income, but that would mean everyone getting a subsidy would most likely have to itemize right? So that won't work... HHHmmm...
Strange........
You are thinking the same things I am!

I will see if I can find an explanation on all this b/c I have looked and so far, all I can find is charts showing what the salary qualifications (by number of people in family) . . . but no clearly defined statement saying . . . you won't have to pay that high premium every month.
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Old 10-31-2013, 06:36 PM
 
Location: State of Being
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Here is some info:

Frequently Asked Questions | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

And on that page it states:

Note that if you have qualified to receive an advanced premium tax credit, the government will pay the credit directly to your insurer and you will pay the remainder of the premium directly to the insurer.

So . . . are all the subsidies "advanced premium tax credits?"
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