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Old 10-29-2013, 04:28 PM
 
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Obama supports don't care if he lied. Just like they didn't care if the bankers lied, well at least until it all came crashing down. Then they screamed like a bunch of babies.
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Old 10-29-2013, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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I say that about conservative voters. We see it all the time in red states that have the poorest people in the nation, who vote for Republicans, who lower taxes on the richest Americans and cut programs for everyone else. I can't think of a better example of voting against your own interests -- regular Americans who vote for the Republican Party, who are less likely to protect their safety, less likely to protect their jobs, and less likely to benefit them economically.
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We would all be richer if there were no government "programs".
That statement displays a profound lack of historical perspective. Before the New Deal we didn't have these programs and we were not richer. Seniors largely lived in poverty. There was large-scale hunger in Appalachia and workers lived hand-to-mouth.
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Old 10-29-2013, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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1. Obama said, dozens of times, "you can keep your plan, period". "You can keep your doctor, period". 2. The plans the individuals will be FORCED to take will cost MORE, not less becayse of the "extra" things ObamaCare demands is in the policy. Many of things are NOT what the insured wants or needs. 3.Subsidies have to be pais for by the taxpayers. Their EXISTING policies ARE being cancelled.
So? In 2003 Bush said "Mission Accomplished" in Iraq.
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Old 10-29-2013, 05:30 PM
 
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That statement displays a profound lack of historical perspective. Before the New Deal we didn't have these programs and we were not richer. Seniors largely lived in poverty. There was large-scale hunger in Appalachia and workers lived hand-to-mouth.
Well now Appalachia is going back to the old days because of the war on coal.
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Old 10-29-2013, 06:00 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Obama isn't a dictator? LOL, good one.
Hahaha.... I know right? Dictators would allow the opposition party to shut down the govt and make concessions and compromises on ACA.

So you are redefining the word "lie" and "dictator" so you can bash Obama.

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HUH? Wow, to any extent to defend getting more free stuff
More free stuff? Do you got anything worth of substance or just able to parrot talking points?
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Old 10-29-2013, 06:06 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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What part of ACA makes the rise slower than otherwise? This ought to be good to hear. Its been the law for YEARs, and you STILL are lying to people about what it's going to do.. haha..

I guess you can now claim, you didnt lie with this posting, you just didnt know how wrong it is..
It was actually a question and read like a question.... except I left out the question mark. My mistake. But don't let that stop you from calling me a liar.....

ACA has been a trainwreck in it's implementation. This can not be debated. However, since it's implementation healthcare costs have risen more slowly. Will this trend continue? Don't know, but hopefully the opposition party can come to the table and work on ways to make ACA better. It is already the law and they've literally wasted years trying to out right get rid of it with zero results.
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Old 10-29-2013, 06:09 PM
 
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NBC reported that “50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a ‘cancellation’ letter or the equivalent.” They didn’t mention that the equivalent is a letter explaining that they’re getting a better package. Those “cancellations” are on policies that don’t meet the standards required under the new law. You’re not getting kicked off your policy so much as you’re getting kicked up to a better one. Republicans seized on the inaccuracies in the story to attack Obamacare. I’m sure they’re grateful for any situation where they don’t have to make up their own inaccuracies. Anytime the mainstream media gets a story wrong, they save the rightwing echo chamber the trouble of making up a wrong story from scratch.

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Old 10-29-2013, 06:20 PM
 
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NBC reported that “50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a ‘cancellation’ letter or the equivalent.” They didn’t mention that the equivalent is a letter explaining that they’re getting a better package. Those “cancellations” are on policies that don’t meet the standards required under the new law. You’re not getting kicked off your policy so much as you’re getting kicked up to a better one. Republicans seized on the inaccuracies in the story to attack Obamacare. I’m sure they’re grateful for any situation where they don’t have to make up their own inaccuracies. Anytime the mainstream media gets a story wrong, they save the rightwing echo chamber the trouble of making up a wrong story from scratch.

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Yipee, next everyone with a Chevrolet will get an upgrade to a Cadillac. Never mind that you don't want nor can you afford a Cadillac.
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Old 10-29-2013, 06:22 PM
 
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That statement displays a profound lack of historical perspective. Before the New Deal we didn't have these programs and we were not richer. Seniors largely lived in poverty. There was large-scale hunger in Appalachia and workers lived hand-to-mouth.
Most seniors still live in poverty.. The standard of poverty has just been moved..80 Percent Of U.S. Adults Face Near-Poverty, Unemployment: Survey
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Old 10-29-2013, 06:25 PM
 
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NBC reported that “50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a ‘cancellation’ letter or the equivalent.” They didn’t mention that the equivalent is a letter explaining that they’re getting a better package. Those “cancellations” are on policies that don’t meet the standards required under the new law. You’re not getting kicked off your policy so much as you’re getting kicked up to a better one. Republicans seized on the inaccuracies in the story to attack Obamacare. I’m sure they’re grateful for any situation where they don’t have to make up their own inaccuracies. Anytime the mainstream media gets a story wrong, they save the rightwing echo chamber the trouble of making up a wrong story from scratch.


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WRONG? Hell, YOUR WRONG.. Their policies are indeed being CANCELLED.. Any "new" policy is a NEW policy, and come at a far greater cost.. All of those "better" packages, COME AT A COST.. any 4 year old could tell you that.. Why is it most liberals dont seem to comprehend it?
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