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Old 12-01-2013, 11:29 AM
 
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Those of you who don't want vaccines should do the rest of us a favor: Never leave your house. You act act as a vector and put everybody else at risk, you selfish sobs.

 
Old 12-01-2013, 11:34 AM
 
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Those of you who don't want vaccines should do the rest of us a favor: Never leave your house. You act act as a vector and put everybody else at risk, you selfish sobs.
If you're vaccinated - why do you care?

I'm not sure that vaccination makes one a non-carrier (non-vector) either.

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Old 12-01-2013, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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If you're vaccinated - why do you care?

I'm not sure that vaccination makes one a non-carrier (non-vector) either.
Another one who doesn't know how the immune system functions, yet thinks s/he does.

To answer the first question, vaccines are not 100% effective, though some come quite close. Even having natural disease does not confer 100% immunity to some diseases, e.g. pertussis (a baddie), chickenpox (has caused documented deaths, which is something you can't say about the vaccine), and others. That is why boosters are required for some vaccines, and/or two doses in the case of others, such as chickenpox.

If you are immune to a disease, you can't get it, therefore, you cannot be a carrier. about that!
 
Old 12-01-2013, 12:12 PM
 
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If you're vaccinated - why do you care?

I'm not sure that vaccination makes one a non-carrier (non-vector) either.
In some poor villages in Africa, people who took the oral polio vaccine spread polio through their fecum in the local water supply.

"Instead, a large portion of the world's vaccines are given to the third world as "charity," when the underlying conditions of economic impoverishment, poor nutrition, chemical exposures, and socio-political unrest are never addressed. You simply can't vaccinate people out of these conditions, and as India's new epidemic of vaccine-induced polio cases clearly demonstrates, the "cure" may be far worse than the disease itself."

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/pol...olio-paralysis

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Old 12-01-2013, 12:17 PM
 
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In some poor villages in Africa, people who took the oral polio vaccine spread polio through their fecum in the local water supply.
That is possible. 655 cases of polio have been contracted in that manner since 2000 (compared to an estimated 8,500,000 cases of polio prevented due to polio vaccination during the same timeframe).
 
Old 12-01-2013, 12:30 PM
 
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In some poor villages in Africa, people who took the oral polio vaccine spread polio through their fecum in the local water supply.
Everyone who takes the oral polio vaccine sheds the virus in their stool. Since these viruses are weakend, they actually serve to immunize others who change come in contact with the stool. I can't find a rate of Vaccine Acquired Paralytic Polio (VAPP), but suffice it to say it is very rare.
 
Old 12-01-2013, 12:45 PM
 
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Scientists should investigate biotic balance for resistance to pathologies, rather than being so narrowmindedly fixated on the antibody paradigm for "immunity".

Strep throat is a good example of an all out war going on to keep polio, or something, out.

Watch what you eat and drink, or you could start a war.

Strep is armed.

When seconds count, antibodies are days away.
 
Old 12-01-2013, 12:46 PM
 
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Scientists should investigate biotic balance for resistance to pathologies, rather than being so narrowmindedly fixated on the antibody paradigm for "immunity".

Strep throat is a good example of an all out war going on to keep polio, or something, out.

Watch what you eat and drink, or you could start a war.

Strep is armed.

When seconds count, antibodies are days away.
PLEASE verify.
 
Old 12-01-2013, 12:47 PM
 
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Everyone who takes the oral polio vaccine sheds the virus in their stool. Since these viruses are weakend, they actually serve to immunize others who change come in contact with the stool. I can't find a rate of Vaccine Acquired Paralytic Polio (VAPP), but suffice it to say it is very rare.
That was once my opinion, a long time ago.

But "attenuation" can be tricky.
 
Old 12-01-2013, 12:48 PM
 
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That was once my opinion, a long time ago.
It's not a matter of opinion.
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