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Old 12-01-2013, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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In some poor villages in Africa, people who took the oral polio vaccine spread polio through their fecum in the local water supply.

"Instead, a large portion of the world's vaccines are given to the third world as "charity," when the underlying conditions of economic impoverishment, poor nutrition, chemical exposures, and socio-political unrest are never addressed. You simply can't vaccinate people out of these conditions, and as India's new epidemic of vaccine-induced polio cases clearly demonstrates, the "cure" may be far worse than the disease itself."

Polio Vaccines Now The #1 Cause of Polio Paralysis | GreenMedInfo
Pfft...Yet another anti vaccine site....How about citing an unbiased site?

 
Old 12-01-2013, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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I always start with common sense.

Before the polio vaccine, what protected 99% of the human population from poliomyelitis?
What common sense? I'm not seeing it from you.....How old are you? I lived through the polio epidemic in the 40s and 50s and both my brother and I contracted mild cases, but two of our friends weren't so lucky....You can rail against vaccines till the cows come home, but I'm not buying a bit of it.
 
Old 12-01-2013, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Steeler Nation
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If you're vaccinated - why do you care?

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I'm not sure that vaccination makes one a non-carrier (non-vector)
either
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No one ever claimed they weren't, but if you're vaccinated you have no worries about who is a carrier.
 
Old 12-01-2013, 03:35 PM
 
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Do you have anything that's not from a blog on an anti-vax natural healing site?
They are the only places you can find TRUTH LIKE THIS about vaccines!!
 
Old 12-01-2013, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Steeler Nation
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Another one who doesn't know how the immune system functions, yet thinks s/he does.

To answer the first question, vaccines are not 100% effective, though some come quite close. Even having natural disease does not confer 100% immunity to some diseases, e.g. pertussis (a baddie), chickenpox (has caused documented deaths, which is something you can't say about the vaccine), and others. That is why boosters are required for some vaccines, and/or two doses in the case of others, such as chickenpox.

If you are immune to a disease, you can't get it, therefore, you cannot be a carrier. about that!
No one (anti vaxers) has come up with a good reason/proof that vaccine don't work, but there is a ton of evidence that they are effective for the most part. Please explain why childhood diseases have been nearly eradicated, and please don't tell me hygiene, because people were clean back in the days of few or no vaccines (most of this century). I am sure disinfectants played some role, but were not the whole answer. I want real proof, not some bogus website.
 
Old 12-01-2013, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Steeler Nation
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I always start with common sense.

Before the polio vaccine, what protected 99% of the human population from poliomyelitis?
I am guessing natural immunity or they were never exposed. Did you know there are some who are immune to the AIDs virus? There is know way to know, thus the vaccine.
 
Old 12-01-2013, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Steeler Nation
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They are the only places you can find TRUTH LIKE THIS about vaccines!!
I might believe them if they provided some real evidence like the CDC or WHO provide.
 
Old 12-01-2013, 04:24 PM
 
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Pfft...Yet another anti vaccine site....How about citing an unbiased site?
There is no such thing. There is always perception and bias involved with human beings. Your creation and application of a category called "anti-vaccine" is an example of both.


That said I would like to see more studies in this area.
Self-Organized Criticality Theory of Autoimmunity

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Conclusions/Significance

Systemic autoimmunity appears to be the inevitable consequence of over-stimulating the host's immune ‘system’ by repeated immunization with antigen, to the levels that surpass system's self-organized criticality.
 
Old 12-01-2013, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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They are the only places you can find TRUTH LIKE THIS about vaccines!!
Lol!
Right! The only places where you can find the truth, the real truth, and nothing but the truth, are conspiracy sites.
I nothiced you never answered my question, Mr. Awesome Dude.....what's your med cred?
 
Old 12-01-2013, 04:33 PM
 
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No one ever claimed they weren't, but if you're vaccinated you have no worries about who is a carrier.
Why? You would have no way of knowing if you developed an anti-body without testing for it. People who get vaccinated get sick all the time. Being vaccinated doesn't mean you are immune or won't get sick.
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