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Old 12-06-2013, 04:59 PM
 
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Joe Barton A GOD representative calls for the repeal of the minimum wage.

GOP Rep. Joe Barton Calls For Minimum Wage Repeal

How many people think that this would end well at all? Am I the only one that finds this appalling? That he could be so out of touch with the people who he represents?

What do people here that support this think would happen if it were to pass?
Evil corporation would start to employ people for one cent a day. There would be mass starvation and millions of people would be living on the streets begging. The CEOs would use all the money get from exploiting the poor to get Republicans elected and then they would control those Republicans to bring back slavery and ban women from working. Church attendance would become mandatory and homosexuality would become a crime punishable by death. We would build massive coal power plants in every neighborhood and dump all the waste they produce into our rivers. We would triple the size of our military and launch ground invasions of every nation in the Middle East except Israel. All safety regulations would be repealed. We would start requiring people to work 12 hour days with no vacation. The mimimum working age would be lowered to 5.

Without Barrack Obama to save us all, civilization will collapse.
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Old 12-06-2013, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, Ga
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Ending minimum wage would mean all wages would go down so if you make min wage now then your wage would be $3 to $4. Crimes would increase as people desperate to survive. As cost of living creases min wage should increase every 3 yrs so people would not have to be homeless
Quite right you are. Eliminate the minimum wage, and with the current 'demand' for labor, 3$ or 4$ might be considered generous for a bottom of the line job. I think about 1.60-1.75 is more accurate, but anyway... If you want to know what the US will look like, just take a look at countries with no minimum wage or lower minimum wage. Yea! Let's model ourselves after Haiti, Indonesia, China, Central Africa, etc!!! But don't expect to see a big boom in jobs either. Why spread out the money to more people to equal about the same amount of money as before, when you can have as many people as you have now for less money? That's right. Employment will get no better because companies will continue to use the least amount of work for the biggest profit margin just like they always have, be it 3$ an hour or 30$ an hour...you still need people to do the job and you don't want to hire more than you need. However, you will have people now even worse off than they were before, with even less of an ability to raise themselves out of poverty. But hey, maybe this is the Republicans grand plan...starve off all the poor people so only their rich friends are around and they win every election...wouldn't surprise me.
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Old 12-06-2013, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Where does it say Congress doesn't have the constitutional authority to set a minimum wage?
That is not how it works. The US Constitution limits the federal government to only those powers explicitly granted to them. So if the US Constitution does not say Congress shall have the power to establish a minimum wage, then Congress does not have that power.

According to the Tenth Amendment, all powers not prohibited to the States by the US Constitution belong to the States and/or the people. Since the State establishing a minimum wage is not specifically prohibited by the US Constitution, that power belongs to them and not the federal government.
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Old 12-06-2013, 06:19 PM
 
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During an age where corporations organize to protect their interests and bottom line, it is only proper that workers do the same. It was only 100 years ago where workers were living in tent cities and holes in the ground and owners were enforcing their way with armed gangs to protect the bottom line. It will be 100 years since the Ludlow Massacre.
I think you're referencing what Corporate America referred to as "the glory days". We'll be returning there again shortly as plans to repeal any restrain on corporate greed and tyranny will soon be in full force.
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Old 12-06-2013, 06:21 PM
 
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Quite right you are. Eliminate the minimum wage, and with the current 'demand' for labor, 3$ or 4$ might be considered generous for a bottom of the line job. I think about 1.60-1.75 is more accurate, but anyway... If you want to know what the US will look like, just take a look at countries with no minimum wage or lower minimum wage. Yea! Let's model ourselves after Haiti, Indonesia, China, Central Africa, etc!!! But don't expect to see a big boom in jobs either. Why spread out the money to more people to equal about the same amount of money as before, when you can have as many people as you have now for less money? That's right. Employment will get no better because companies will continue to use the least amount of work for the biggest profit margin just like they always have, be it 3$ an hour or 30$ an hour...you still need people to do the job and you don't want to hire more than you need. However, you will have people now even worse off than they were before, with even less of an ability to raise themselves out of poverty. But hey, maybe this is the Republicans grand plan...starve off all the poor people so only their rich friends are around and they win every election...wouldn't surprise me.
China actually has a minimum wage. Like the US, it varies by region.
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Old 12-06-2013, 06:29 PM
 
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The federal minimum wage should be repealed. Congress does not have the constitutional authority to establish a minimum wage, a maximum wage, or wages of any kind. If States want to establish a minimum wage, they have that constitutional authority. Whereas the federal government does not.

Considering that all 50 States already have an established minimum wage, and most of those States are higher than the federal minimum wage, a repeal of the federal minimum wage will have absolutely no effect except to bring the federal government one tiny step closer to being in compliance with the US Constitution.
I can name 5 with no minimum wage whatsoever, and another 4 with rates lower then the federal rate. You're glitched (couldn't resist that. I like the name choice btw-it makes me think of Stitch. My favorite cartoon of all time)
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Old 12-06-2013, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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It would be wonderful if we could wave a magic wand for people who need more money, but it does not work that way. Did your mother ever tell you that if something looks too good to be true it is? The minimum wage is a legislative sleight of hand.

Consider the charity industry. There are lots of worthy causes out there, but many small charities have a hard time raising as much money as they would like. Why not simply declare a "minimum donation rate." By fiat, people must give x dollars, or give nothing at all. Sure a few charities might actually be helped. Some people who might have otherwise donated less than x, would now donate x.

But many would decide that they just can't afford x and would donate zero. The bigger, more established charities would be ok, maybe even better off, but some of the smaller charities would close their doors. And it would be tougher for new charities to get off the ground.

If it works for wages, it would work for other applications as well, but it doesn't.
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Old 12-06-2013, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Do you remember when we used to have gas station attendants? They were replaced by "self serve."

In the marketing department where I once worked, we would often hire people to do things like filing. When the minimum wage went up, those jobs would be eliminated. Everyone else had to take up the slack.

Automation is increased when minimum wage gets too high.

Yes, there is plenty of proof.
Oregon and New Jersey still have gas attendants, your state could have them too if you wanted. Automation increases regardless of wages because of technology advancements.
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Old 12-06-2013, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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That is not how it works. The US Constitution limits the federal government to only those powers explicitly granted to them. So if the US Constitution does not say Congress shall have the power to establish a minimum wage, then Congress does not have that power.

According to the Tenth Amendment, all powers not prohibited to the States by the US Constitution belong to the States and/or the people. Since the State establishing a minimum wage is not specifically prohibited by the US Constitution, that power belongs to them and not the federal government.
I don't think you are accurate on this one.

Daily Kos :: Breaking - Supreme Court Declares Minimum Wage Constitutional

The Supreme Court ruled it to be constitutional back in 1941.
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Old 12-06-2013, 09:54 PM
 
Location: FL
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There is no proof that minimum wage reduces jobs other than it being a bogus right wing talking point.
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