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How many people think that this would end well at all? Am I the only one that finds this appalling? That he could be so out of touch with the people who he represents?
What do people here that support this think would happen if it were to pass?
As it is now, very few people get hired and start @ minimum wage.
You are worth what the market will bare, unless you are given special rights by governments, no one else has.
Fast food jobs are not careers just like walmart or any other min wage job. I deal with rude folks all the time and don't get a raise. Maybe you should talk to my boss when I'm at a site fixing their network? LOL. You see flipping a burger is worth one thing and fixing a network or what have you is worth another. That is what the market decides. Now the goverment wants to come in and say X is what the bottom is. Well if that is X then what about some field tech who made say twenty bucks an hour before and now looks and see's a burger flipper making fifteen he says hey if they make that why am I doing this? The ramifications would go all across the board and who will pay in the end? If you don't know the answer to that then I don't know what to say.
What a CEO is worth is up to the stockholders. Go buy some stock and go to the board meetings and tell them why the CEO of YOUR company isn't worth it. You can do that if you want. I doubt you do though.
As if individual microstockholders are going to change corporate policy.
That's a game for the top 1 percent of the top 1 percent.
As it is now, very few people get hired and start @ minimum wage.
You are worth what the market will bare, unless you are given special rights by governments, no one else has.
Productivity sets a ceiling for wages not a floor. I've come to the position that some labor markets are so lopsided that some employers don't have to pay more than minimum wage, regardless of productivity.
Productivity sets a ceiling for wages not a floor. I've come to the position that some labor markets are so lopsided that some employers don't have to pay more than minimum wage, regardless of productivity.
Supply and demand...
When the labor market is saturated, wages go way down. Today with so many under employed and those no longer looking for work because of the saturated labor market you are seeing wages paid what the market is baring.
Again, very few people except HS kids are being hired at minimum wage.
You have so many flooding the unemployed status, that were making 5-10 times what minimum wages are.
You can thank that sucking sound of jobs, the government created when they failed to enforce our immigration laws and the signing of NAFTA and the China Free Trade Act, which would fail to satisfy the top 1% if Glass / Stegall were to stay intact. Who was that guy. Why it was Bill "Slick Willie" Clinton, with the help of the Progressive New World Order Republicans and Democrats.
Amazing absolutely amazing you lefties on this board certainly don't know history. When Margret Thatcher became prime minister of England the country was on its back. She eliminated the minimum wage and England boomed in the 1980's and 1990's and no one was working at the old minimum wage they were making considerably more. The minimum wage destroys jobs. Here is an example before the minimum wage laws were enacted in the U.S a black teenager was twice as likely as a white teenager to be employed. After the minimum wage law's were enacted a white teenager was more likely to be employed than a black teenager. So minmum wage laws definatley hurt urban youth. With no minimum wage people will be paid what their worth and many new jobs will appear.
Quite right you are. Eliminate the minimum wage, and with the current 'demand' for labor, 3$ or 4$ might be considered generous for a bottom of the line job. I think about 1.60-1.75 is more accurate, but anyway... If you want to know what the US will look like, just take a look at countries with no minimum wage or lower minimum wage. Yea! Let's model ourselves after Haiti, Indonesia, China, Central Africa, etc!!! But don't expect to see a big boom in jobs either. Why spread out the money to more people to equal about the same amount of money as before, when you can have as many people as you have now for less money? That's right. Employment will get no better because companies will continue to use the least amount of work for the biggest profit margin just like they always have, be it 3$ an hour or 30$ an hour...you still need people to do the job and you don't want to hire more than you need. However, you will have people now even worse off than they were before, with even less of an ability to raise themselves out of poverty. But hey, maybe this is the Republicans grand plan...starve off all the poor people so only their rich friends are around and they win every election...wouldn't surprise me.
^^^^^^^^ That is exactly what would happen. A race to the bottom is what they are looking for! Most of the RWNJ's posting on this forum are not rich themselves so it is only the poor they can feel superior to; and fast food workers as well.
Of course, eliminating the minimum wage would NOT increase jobs. There would be the same amount of workers ~ now making less than ever.
Not a good plan; and if this is the Republican platform then I will never vote for another Republican.
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Well if Congress doesn't like the Supreme Court's decision from 1941, they could always try to override it, that is how our government was formed. But until then, if the Supreme Court says it is constitutional then it is constitutional.
Of course the conservatives on this forum know far more than the Supreme Court. They are ALL constitutional scholars.
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There needs to be a federal minimum wage. Otherwise, the neo-Confederacy would repeal their minimum wage laws, causing wages to slide downwards in the rest of the country in order to compete. No, no, and no
Agree, agree, and agree.
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An insult? I asked a question and you answer with a question? Hmmmm?
Amazing absolutely amazing you lefties on this board certainly don't know history. When Margret Thatcher became prime minister of England the country was on its back. She eliminated the minimum wage and England boomed in the 1980's and 1990's and no one was working at the old minimum wage they were making considerably more. The minimum wage destroys jobs. Here is an example before the minimum wage laws were enacted in the U.S a black teenager was twice as likely as a white teenager to be employed. After the minimum wage law's were enacted a white teenager was more likely to be employed than a black teenager. So minmum wage laws definatley hurt urban youth. With no minimum wage people will be paid what their worth and many new jobs will appear.
Seems like you don't know history. The UK didn't have a minimum wage until 1999, well after Thatcher was out of office. This was passed by a Labour government, which sought to correct some of the excesses of Thatcherism:
As for the minimum wage workers in the US, these days, most of them aren't teens working to get some movie and pizza money...more of them are adults in families, so the focus isn't about youth employment or unemployment.
Locales that have raised their minimum wages to higher than the Federal level, such as San Francisco, haven't suffered economically because of that.
Eliminating the Minimum Wage Law would be a bad idea.
We don't need to do it to see what effects it would have because we are already seeing it where many American's wages and buying power have stagnated for the past 20 years. Look at the Economy!
Money is the oil that keeps the machine going and with less money in the hands of consumers and those that spend it only ensures our continuing downward slide.
The Big Fast Food Chains and other minimum wage type jobs would keep prices the same and pass the savings on to Wall Street and their shareholders. They would not be the ones suffering.
For the former minimum wage earners, they would have to downsize even more by piling together 10 to an apartment like they do in India.
The way to control a country is through its monetary policy. Eliminating Minimum Wage or Reducing the wages of the common American so that they have less buying power plays right into Agenda 21.
Cheap Immigrant Labor as well as cheap Chinese Labor has played right into the hands of those for Agenda 21.
Agenda 21 is a non-binding, voluntarily implemented action plan of the United Nations with regard to sustainable development.[1] It is a product of the UN Conference on Environment and Development (UNCED) held in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, in 1992. It is an action agenda for the UN, other multilateral organizations, and individual governments around the world that can be executed at local, national, and global levels. The "21" in Agenda 21 refers to the 21st Century. It has been affirmed and modified at subsequent UN conferences.
WHAT IS AGENDA 21? AFTER WATCHING THIS, YOU MAY NOT WANT TO KNOW
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Those who follow Glenn Beck might be aware that Tuesday marks the release of his latest book, “Agenda 21,” the suspenseful and perhaps sobering tale of a futuristic America in which a UN-led program spawned an authoritarian state where individuals are stripped of all personal rights and freedoms.
Oddly, Beck’s novel is not simply a work of fiction, but based on an actual program created by the United Nations by the very same name — “Agenda 21″ — which, according to the UN’s own website, is a “comprehensive plan of action to be taken globally, nationally and locally by organizations of the United Nations system, governments and major groups, in every area in which human impacts on the environment.”
In so many words, the United Nations seeks to co-opt, via individual governments, and eventually, a “one-world government,” privately held land under the auspices of ensuring its “sustainability.” Worse still, the UN’s Agenda 21 has even laid out plans for “depopulation” or rather, “population control.” If it sounds like something out of George Orwell’s 1984, that is because Agenda 21′s tenets are eerily in line with the demented alternate reality Orwell himself had imagined while scribing the pages of his famed novel.
“Sustainable development” is the catch-phrase Beck urged his Monday evening viewers to be leery of.
Where one can live and what land should be designated for would, under fully-realized Agenda 21 plan, be controlled by the United Nations and a future one-world government. Consider the following section from the UN website on Agenda 21′s plan for “promoting sustainable human settlement development.”
Those that want to continue to erode the buying power of all American's, take away more of their freedoms
and control where they can live (monetary policy) and what they are allowed to eat (Monsanto) are playing right into the hands of Agenda 21.
They do not need to do anything by force when they can control all American's through their disastrous Monetary Policies. Disastrous for everyone except the top elite. They will not be reducing their standard of living. On the contrary, they are increasing their power and wealth through the actions they have taken.
There is no proof that minimum wage reduces jobs other than it being a bogus right wing talking point.
There's no proof that having it or increasing it will create jobs either, but that doesn't stop the left from pushing for it. "every job deserves a livable wage" seems to be the libs new talking point, with zero thought (typical for the left) on where the money is supposed to come from.
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