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Old 02-26-2014, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Pa
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Originally Posted by urbanlife78 View Post
I have a feeling you didn't read Oregon water laws.
I doubt many of the complainers did. I know when I built my pond, I had to get permits, have the land inspected and the damn needed to built to a certain standard. I had no issue following the regulations because it protects not only my investment but also those of my neighbors.
In Wyoming you can have a stream running through your 100 acres of land, but not be allowed to use that water for irrigation, build a dam or do anything to change the natural course of the stream. Why? Because of the impact down stream.
The man in the OP evidently didn't file any paper work for permits, no inspections, and obviously broke many laws. It may be your land, and you may not agree with the local, state or federal laws, but you best obey them unless you are willing to suffer the consequences.

 
Old 02-26-2014, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Originally Posted by tinman01 View Post
I doubt many of the complainers did. I know when I built my pond, I had to get permits, have the land inspected and the damn needed to built to a certain standard. I had no issue following the regulations because it protects not only my investment but also those of my neighbors.
In Wyoming you can have a stream running through your 100 acres of land, but not be allowed to use that water for irrigation, build a dam or do anything to change the natural course of the stream. Why? Because of the impact down stream.
The man in the OP evidently didn't file any paper work for permits, no inspections, and obviously broke many laws. It may be your land, and you may not agree with the local, state or federal laws, but you best obey them unless you are willing to suffer the consequences.
Good for you, that is exactly how you are suppose to do it.
 
Old 02-26-2014, 12:40 PM
 
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I'll where it as a badge of honor
lol

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because Heritage is a respected institution
lol

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Anyone who hides their profile info from anyone is suspect, because they are hiding something. What is it you're hiding?
lol
 
Old 02-26-2014, 01:12 PM
 
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In my town we own the rain water. They charge us extra each month for letting our water run into the cities drains........
 
Old 02-26-2014, 01:53 PM
 
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In my town we own the rain water. They charge us extra each month for letting our water run into the cities drains........
yup, somebody has to maintain the drainage system
 
Old 02-26-2014, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I also read about it in the Huff Po. There is nothing that makes sense about this. It's absurd. Period.

As for the "Heritage Foundation is for simple minds" comment, that shows your extreme left wing bias and your own ignorance. It's an attack based on your personal bias, which means it's baseless. Many of it's senior staff, including it's founder, hold Ph.D's. Do you have a Ph.D?

Do you think I have a "simple mind" because I read items from Heritage? Do you think the Huffington Post is a better source of information on such issues of law than Heritage?

The truth is, you don't like Heritage simply because it is a conservative organization. That means, in your sophomoric mind, that they can't possibly have a valid point of view on anything, because they are in the "dark ages." Right?

I also read "Imprimis," a publication of Hillsdale College, and have been working through their college course on Constitution 101 and 201. I guess that really makes me a simpleton and non-thinker, right?
The article written to inflame, just the title alone is misleading since the man significantly changed the geography and contour of his land. They also made it appear as if this was the first time anyone has been taken to task, in reality these laws have been around for decades for very good reasons which the Heritage Foundation failed to address. The Huffington Post has more detail that is sorely lacking in the OPS article.

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The bigger story here is that rainwater collection is indeed kosher in Oregon,
provided that you’re capturing it from an artificial, impervious surface such as
a rooftop with the assistance of rainwater barrels. But an extensive reservoir
set-up complete with 10- and 20-foot-tall dams is verboten without the proper,
state-issued water-right permits — after all, Oregon law dictates that water is
a publicly owned resource — and Harrington did not possess said permits.
Gary Harrington, Oregon Resident, Sentenced To Jail For Stockpiling Rainwater
 
Old 02-26-2014, 03:58 PM
 
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Thank you for that personal attack, and I'll where it as a badge of honor, because Heritage is a respected institution, and anything they publish beats anything from "Think Progress," the Web site of "Center for American Progress," the extreme left wing think tank, and distributor of Leftist propaganda.

Anyone who hides their profile info from anyone is suspect, because they are hiding something. What is it you're hiding?
Good lord. The heritage foundation is a respected institution? Respected for their extremism and intellectual dishonesty maybe. And this article is a excellent example of it.
 
Old 02-26-2014, 04:06 PM
 
Location: KKKalfornia
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not only does the state have the right to the water on your property, the feds have control over water in any state. there is an ultimate logic to it that does make sense.

some people in colorado might think the people in arizona southern nevada and southern california should have to get their own water, theyre going to build a dam to keep all that water in state. problem is not only it cuts of the states down river, its kind of hard on the fishies and their environment.
 
Old 02-26-2014, 04:18 PM
 
Location: South Bay
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And no a heritage link WOULDN'T burden you with the truth. Maybe you should think about that in the future.
However HUFFPO does?


I'm sure you'd love to go on, but the fact is the government pulled his permits arbitrarily, and this is the crux of the issue. Private property ownership is being attacked by local and state governments through eminent domain and antiquated regulations.

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Old 02-26-2014, 04:55 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Originally Posted by tinman01 View Post
I doubt many of the complainers did. I know when I built my pond, I had to get permits, have the land inspected and the damn needed to built to a certain standard. I had no issue following the regulations because it protects not only my investment but also those of my neighbors.
In Wyoming you can have a stream running through your 100 acres of land, but not be allowed to use that water for irrigation, build a dam or do anything to change the natural course of the stream. Why? Because of the impact down stream.
The man in the OP evidently didn't file any paper work for permits, no inspections, and obviously broke many laws. It may be your land, and you may not agree with the local, state or federal laws, but you best obey them unless you are willing to suffer the consequences.
He was told, initially, he didn't need permits.
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