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Old 02-27-2014, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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Mozambique and South Africa are 90% White? Since when?
When did I make that claim. OCWM is used for a lot of purposes, only one of which is overseas missions. It is the primary funding source for the national denomination.

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Old 02-27-2014, 10:52 AM
 
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Wright is not Cone. Obama is not Wright.
Obama openly stated Wright was his spiritual mentor for over 20 years. Wright, the racist. Wright, who admitted Trinity UCC's charter was based on Cone's racist rhetoric.

Cone's writings are a matter of public record.
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Old 02-27-2014, 10:56 AM
 
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When did I make that claim. OCWM is used for a lot of purposes, one one of which is overseas missions. It is the primary funding source for the national denomination.
Do you have any proof that UCC.org endorses Cone's racist Black Liberation Theology rhetoric? Wright himself admitted Trinity UCC's charter was based on Cone's racist philosophy.
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:00 AM
 
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A lot of people attempt to demonize Obama based on his membership at Trinity UCC. Often however they do based on false information, like it is a black separatist church. That is just blatantly false.
Not according to Rev. Wright, Obama's self-stated spiritual mentor of 20+ years:
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"The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone’s book, Black Power and Black Theology." [Note that Wright gets the book title wrong, it's actually Black Theology & Black Power.]
https://web.archive.org/web/20080325...ing_points.htm

A few more quotes from Cone, on whose philosophy Trinity UCC is admittedly based...

"To be black is to be committed to destroying everything this country loves and adores."
"Black theology will accept only a love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy."

Both from his book, A Black Theology of Liberation.

"If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him."
African American Religious Thought: An Anthology - Google Books

All a matter of public record...
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:04 AM
 
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Exactly.

But what we DO have is Rev. Wright's own admission that Trinity UCC is based on Cone's racist rhetoric:

https://web.archive.org/web/20080325...ing_points.htm

A few more quotes from Cone, on whose philosophy Trinity UCC is admittedly based...

"To be black is to be committed to destroying everything this country loves and adores."
"Black theology will accept only a love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy."

Both from his book, A Black Theology of Liberation.

"If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him."
African American Religious Thought: An Anthology - Google Books
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Chicago's Trinity UCC is 'great gift to wider church family'

Many, including Gray, point with appreciation to Trinity UCC's generous support of denominational and ecumenical ministries. From 2003 to 2007, Trinity UCC gave more than $3.7 million to Our Church's Wider Mission, the UCC's shared fund for connectional mission and ministry.

The following is not an accurate quote:
"Black theology will accept only a love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy."
You can check the book.

So if you are African-American or Black you should just accept the theology that Whites are superior and Blacks are inferior, which was a prominent belief among certain Christians 50 years ago when Cone wrote his book?
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:17 AM
 
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The following is not an accurate quote:
"Black theology will accept only a love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy."
Indeed, it is. Footnoted, and all:
The Gospel According to the Marginalized - Google Books

James Hall Cone Facts
Encyclopedia of World Biography
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:20 AM
 
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Do you have any proof that UCC.org endorses Cone's racist Black Liberation Theology rhetoric? Wright himself admitted Trinity UCC's charter was based on Cone's racist philosophy.
The UCC is bottom up. The power rests with the people in the congregation. Its not up to the UCC denomination to endorse Black Liberation Theology or not. There are many of liberation theologians of some form within the UCC.

Your phrasing of "Wright himself admitted Trinity UCC's charter was based on Cone's" sounds wrong. Trinity UCC predates Cone's writings. It was founded by the denomination, in 1961, to be a multiracial congregation. That goal didn't last long because at the time they were unable to attract many whites that were willing to cross the informal Black White neighborhood boundaries in Chicago.

Rev. Wright is a supporter of Black Liberation Theology. Many, perhaps most, members at Trinity are. The current Minister is, as his father who worked with Dr. King. However, I'm not sure it is in Trinity's charter.

Cone did claim that Trinity was the best example of Black Liberation Theology in action. Therefore Cone is endorsing a church that is a member of a predominately white denomination as the best example of Black Liberation Theology. Doesn't sound very anti-white to me. Perhaps you are misinterpreting Dr. Cone's writing.
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:23 AM
 
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Not according to Rev. Wright, Obama's self-stated spiritual mentor of 20+ years:
https://web.archive.org/web/20080325...ing_points.htm

A few more quotes from Cone, on whose philosophy Trinity UCC is admittedly based...

"To be black is to be committed to destroying everything this country loves and adores."
"Black theology will accept only a love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy."

Both from his book, A Black Theology of Liberation.

"If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him."
African American Religious Thought: An Anthology - Google Books

All a matter of public record...
So they demonstrated their desire to separate from whites by voluntarily remaining part of the predominantly white UCC for 50 years.
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:24 AM
 
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Indeed, it is. Footnoted, and all:
The Gospel According to the Marginalized - Google Books

James Hall Cone Facts
Encyclopedia of World Biography
Now go get the book. It is not how it is worded in the book.
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:29 AM
 
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The UCC is bottom up. The power rests with the people in the congregation.
That's exactly what I'm saying.
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Your phrasing of "Wright himself admitted Trinity UCC's charter was based on Cone's" sounds wrong.
Not according to Rev. Wright, himself. Wright was very clear on the following fact:
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"The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone’s book, Black Power and Black Theology." [Note that Wright gets the book title wrong, it's actually Black Theology & Black Power.]
https://web.archive.org/web/20080325...ing_points.htm
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