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While I'm no fan of Obama, I'm amazed at the chicken hawks who think engaging Russia in an armed conflict is a good idea.
Seriously, how can people be that stupid?
I guess some of the far-right crazies just aren't happy unless we're at war all the time, and since apparently fumbling around in the Middle East for a decade while leaving behind a situation probably not much better than what we started with wasn't good enough, let's get into a war with a near-superpower with nuclear weapons. Yeah... smart idea!
Maybe if Dubya was still in power, he could have used this as an excuse to launch another war thanks to "God / Halliburton" telling him to do so while creating a nastier version of the Patriot Act to keep the citizens in line. Fortunately, our current leader isn't that stupid.
I just did. Read my long post. It contains what is known as an opinion synthesized from analysis of the situation that goes beyond your standard parrot phrase of "I don't like Obama, wah wah wah." Sometimes, it's nice to actually create an original thought.
The rebuttal is that saying "Oh, Obama is being weak" without offering an actual opinion on what he should do differently is nonsense. As far as the alternative of going to war right now: this is a chess game, not pickup basketball. There is no reason yet to open the cannons full blast; we have plenty of time to do that later if need be. There is a lot that the international community can do now to contain Russia and make them hurt big time.
Couldn't have said it better as a response to all those multiple rants about Obama vs. Putin.
I know that for some it's not foreign policy until we bomb somebody, but keeping Russia out of G8 is going to be felt right in the pocketbook of Russia's oligarchs. The ruble has already dropped 3% agaisnt the Euro - the lowest level since the Euro was introduced. Russian stock is dropping, too.
Haven't you guys noticed that this is Putin's plan failing? Yanukovych was his trained attack poodle, supposed to keep a lid on things and making sure Ukraine stayed right in the Russian sphere. That sure as all out blew up. This is Plan B, and it's not a very good one.
Putin's backers are less rich today than they were a week ago, and I doubt they're happy.
I don't want to derail this thread so I'll just point you to the start down the rabbit hole.
You can pursue further if it interests you.
Hasn't been absolutely proven though as some pieces of proof along the way just "disappeared" into thin air.
But there's been enough evidence uncovered to make you question history.
Did Russia interfere with The US when we invaded Grenada or when we went into Iraq?
USSR intervened about Grenada in the same fashion we are intervening now about Crimea. They made comments. Even UK opposed it. Maggie thatcher told Reagan she was deeply disturbed about what US was planning, and when she called Reagan, he told her US was not going to invade. He lied, because the invasion was already underway.
The time for diplomatic agreements and foreign policy decisions during all the years since the Putin invasion of Georgia, have come and gone without anything from this president. So if you are asking what rabbit we can pull out of our hat now, then the answer is... there really is nothing we can say.
Obama seems to think a good foreign policy and national security policy is to do nothing, wait until H-hour, then appear to talk tough and draw a rhetorical line in the sand, then go play golf. Once the fox is already in the hen house, talking about buying a dog or fencing next month is a moot point of discussion.
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He has the same situation and choice as presidents did when Bosnia had gone on for years much worse than this. He certainly has same as Georgia in 2008.But I agree he does have much public support as liberals to great extent want to leave Europe even beyond the present problems. Not our problem is common among them. Conservatives certainly don't trust him to lead in conflicts. Funny as change in attitude goes back to JFK and Johnson on Vietnam issue then two democratic leaders. I even think EU not pushing for sanctions actions in Georgia plays a modern part of why Putin acted; much less why public in US sees this as European problem much like isolationist before WWII. Remember it took Japan attacking and Germany declaring war for even Roosevelt to really be able to act militarily. Poland certainly reinforced view of not getting into another European problem then as Georgia does now.
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