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In 2023 we will be spending at least 1.6 trillion dollars on Medicare, Tricare, VA, and Medicaid for seniors. These are all Tea Party approved programs. The spending for the ACA will come to only 166 billion dollars. The Tea Party programs will be 10 times as much as the ACA. Do Tea Partiers have any idea of how much they rely on big gubbermint spending?
The Tea Party had their moment during the Presidential debates in 2012 when they cheered for Ron Paul when he suggested letting people die in the streets that didnt have insurance. Now many people have insurance and the Tea Party still isnt happy.
I guess the only real insurance is Medicare, Tricare, or VA... the rest doesnt count.
How many are still uninsured? Why is a ridiculous number like 7.1 million a magic number that Obama thinks will prove that it will work?
The Tea Party base has 52 million on Medicare, 10 million on Tricare, and 7 million on VA health care. Thats 70 million people drawing down 600 billion dollars in benefits. Tack on another 150 billion for Medicaid for seniors and you can see where the Tea Party at 750 billion is the clear winner to the 16 billion in ACA subsidies. Obama should have gone to the Tea Party to see how health care really works. Spend 750 billion and you will cover a lot more people.
Surely some will not pay, and will remain uninsured. The industry has reported their individual company unpaid as of now run rates vary from 20-50%. I've never seen an employer whose COBRA premiums are paid early, either, so my bet would be the 20-50% drops dramatically by the due date, with a small percentage not insured.
And it matters little, ACA is the law of the land. We need to hope it runs smoother all the time. Most posters on CD discuss it as if it is not settled law. Wrong.
You might want to let Obama know that it's the law of the land. He's been doing some mighty fancy dancing to make sure that certain parts of it aren't implemented when they were supposed to be.
In 2023 we will be spending at least 1.6 trillion dollars on Medicare, Tricare, VA, and Medicaid for seniors. These are all Tea Party approved programs. The spending for the ACA will come to only 166 billion dollars. The Tea Party programs will be 10 times as much as the ACA. Do Tea Partiers have any idea of how much they rely on big gubbermint spending?
So your response to the facts of this law being highly inefficient is to point out that benefits from paying payroll taxes or being a veteran/etc also cost money?
31 Million still uninsured 10 years from now and a cost of $2.5 Trillion at a cost of 2.5 Million jobs....this is highly inefficient and if the Republicans passed this law you would point this out and ask for a single payer like me.
So your response to the facts of this law being highly inefficient is to point out that benefits from paying payroll taxes or being a veteran/etc also cost money?
31 Million still uninsured 10 years from now and a cost of $2.5 Trillion at a cost of 2.5 Million jobs....this is highly inefficient and if the Republicans passed this law you would point this out and ask for a single payer like me.
Good job ignoring all the positives in the CBO's report and going straight for the spinjob:
“The estimated reduction stems almost entirely from a net decline in the amount of labor that workers choose to supply, rather than from a net drop in businesses’ demand for labor" - CBO
You're comparing apples, apples, apples, and avocados. Nice try at building a strawman argument though.
Medicare - paid into by the individual over the course of their working lifetime.
VA - earned by soldiers who served their country.
Tricare - also earned by soldiers who served their country.
Obamacare - paid for by the wealthy in order to benefit the needy. Wealth redistribution through a third party insurance industry.
Hopefully this very simple explanation helps you to see the difference between the programs. Glad I could clear it up for you.
A key difference: Medicare is deficit run. Insurance companies don't operate on deficits though. Among other factors, premiums are set based upon the expected payout - which is never negative.
Read the report, Medicare pays $3 for every $1 paid in.
The half dozen people i know who are happy with the ACA are people who were denied usual coverage due to pre-existing conditions,they now have coverage.
The basic idea behind the program is to make sure everyone has affordable healthcare but for some reason Americas rightwing is obsessed with wanting the program to fail instead of succeeding..
How does raising the price of healthcare for person A, B, C, D, and E, make it more affordable?
See thats what you keep ignoring and why you left wing kooks keep getting laughed at..
You think someohow by adding a trillion dollars in taxes, the cost will come down, or that by adding costs to others, so that a handful, (and yes, its a handful of individiuals) can get a subsidy, thereby getting a lower cost.
You dont need to make it less afforfdable for millions of americans, to fix the pre-existing problem that so many on the left use to justify this POS
According to the Tea Party types we cant afford any more programs. They want to stop it at Medicare, Tricare, VA, and Medicaid for Seniors. $750 billion for the Tea Party types is enough social spending. Forget the $16 billion in ACA subsidies for 2014...thats socialism.
I'll never understand how you can spend so much time hating on programs you constantly babble are beneficial..
Its a non stop broken record.. You should rename yourself boringkid..
p.s. ACA was supposed to generate $1T in additional revenue to the federal government. You think $16B is the biggest complaint, then that makes you a complete joke.
And here is why again you left wing kooks get laughed at
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Originally Posted by katzpaw
This is a 2006 article breaking out the estimated 40 million uninsured.
- 10 million illegal aliensneed or want insurance).
That leaves 30 million uninsured (since illegals arent covered)
The CBO projects there will be, 30 million without insurance post ACA
If not having insurance means a death toll, then ACA will be responsble for the death of how many?
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