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Old 04-05-2014, 12:25 AM
 
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What my opinion of their position is irrelevant. I support people banding together to enact change whatever it might be as opposed to running to the government to do something.
Social marxism.... cool

 
Old 04-05-2014, 12:31 AM
 
Location: Stasis
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The public face of a company matters -especially when it's like The Mozilla Foundation and reliant on volunteers for its success & to develop its product. Eich was a controversial choice to begin with - some board members resigned when he was appointed. The public vote by switching browsers and Eich wasn't the guy to help Firefox regain or maintain market share.
 
Old 04-05-2014, 01:10 AM
 
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Tell me what this guy really did wrong? He supported a group that he personally believed in. Have we suddenly lost freedom of speech and freedom of expression. The man never even made a demeaning statement. He only supported a cause that he believed in. If you start punishing people for their thoughts it can become a very slippery slope. What other thoughts and deeds do we punish next? I could understand all of this if he had made some sort of hate speech. The entire thing is ridiculous.
Who is worse? The guy standing at a corner spewing hate speech, or the guy who gave him $1,000 to spew it?

Sorry but if you say something (and we have had the supreme court state that money is speech), or contribute to something other people find offensive and hateful, gosh...those people might find you to be a bad person.

OH NOES I gave a grand to something most find hateful and abhorrent, and now they are shunning me, WHAT BAD PEOPLE! Slippery slope!

Really?
 
Old 04-05-2014, 01:37 AM
 
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OH NOES I gave a grand to something most find hateful and abhorrent, and now they are shunning me, WHAT BAD PEOPLE! Slippery slope!

Really?
What do you mean "most"? Prop 8 had 52% for yes and 47% for no. He was in the majority despite your claim otherwise.
 
Old 04-05-2014, 01:41 AM
 
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What do you mean "most"? Prop 8 had 52% for yes and 47% for no. He was in the majority despite your claim otherwise.
Prop 8 won a majority of voters, but it was not popular with the majority, and it did so by bringing in a ton of money from outside. Additionally as a nation the majority is finding these old outdated hatreds to be abhorrent.

If he is in such a majority why exactly is he stepping down then hmmmm?
 
Old 04-05-2014, 01:49 AM
 
Location: CA
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Prop 8 won a majority of voters, but it was not popular with the majority, and it did so by bringing in a ton of money from outside. Additionally as a nation the majority is finding these old outdated hatreds to be abhorrent.

If he is in such a majority why exactly is he stepping down then hmmmm?
spin it....
 
Old 04-05-2014, 01:56 AM
 
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spin it....
Spin this:

Support for same-sex marriage hits new high; half say Constitution guarantees right - The Washington Post

Opinion: California wants a do-over on same-sex marriage vote - CNN.com

First ones the nation, second ones California as of last year.

Welcome to 2014.
 
Old 04-05-2014, 03:49 AM
 
Location: Where it's cold in winter.
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It's their right, but this is a bit much. "At issue was Eich's $1,000 donation in 2008 to the campaign to pass California's Proposition 8." That bill passed by popular vote; it's not as if he was way out on his own. I'm not a fan of boycotting a business because of someone's personal stance on an item on the ballot. Is the next step to boycott a business because someone has a political sign in their yard for a canidate people don't like? It may be a legal right, but that doesn't make it right.

They have a lot of boycotting to do to get to all those people that voted for Prop 8. I'm sure they'll start that right after moving out of California.
They'd better quit using their computers and the Internet too, because this man has had a lot to do with Internet and Web site development (including the Mozillla Firefox browser, and the Java Script language that nearly all Websites use).
At a minimum, this has a chilling effect on our personal freedoms. At the extreme -- which is where the left is staking out their territory -- it puts the country on a very slippery slope towards tyranny.

Take a stand and fight fire(fox) with fire(fox) and tell Mozilla what you think:

Call: (650) 903-0800(650) 903-0800(650) 903-0800(650) 903-0800, extension 231
Email: Mitchell@mozilla.org
Write: 331 E. Evelyn Avenue, Mountain View, CA 94041.
: Mitchell Baker, CEO, Mozilla Foundation.

Articles: Does Brendan Eich Have a Case Against Mozilla?
I hope all those who support free speech will take a stand and voice their disapproval of Mozilla's actions against the free speech rights of not only Brendan Eich, but the right of all Americans to express their opinion by vote, donating to a cause, or otherwise.

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Old 04-05-2014, 04:51 AM
 
Location: Where it's cold in winter.
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Default Chilling Free Speech

Free speech is a precious right that belongs to all Americans. It is vital to the survival of a free Republic. When the right to free speech is violated by mob action against the speaker, we are a step closer to tyranny.

Proposition 8 supporters in California had exercised their right to express their opinion, via a legal ballot measure. Many had donated money or time or both to that cause. For exercising this right, they had their homes and automobiles vandalized, and were subjected to public ridicule, having been approached and attacked in open public places, even their places of employment.

For a $1000 donation to the Prop 8 cause, Brendan Eich was forced to resign his position as CEO of a private company that he co-founded, and was the brains behind the Firefox browser, and the Java Script language used by nearly every Website on the Internet.

An article that appeared in American Thinker outlines the ramifications of this discriminatory act against Mozilla which was forced by angry mobs of homosexuals who threatened the company with calls, letters, and who knows what else.
Articles: Does Brendan Eich Have a Case Against Mozilla?
The violation of free speech rights has serious consequences for the survival of freedom. It is important that Americans are able to express their views without fear of retribution, especially when those views are expressed via the ballot box, or in open debate.

Recall that supporters of gun rights in New York had their names and addresses published, and were subject to similar actions as the supporters of Prop 8 in California. Is this where we are headed as a nation? Is this "Progress?" This is mob rule.
 
Old 04-05-2014, 05:01 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Originally Posted by FlamencoFreak View Post
Free speech is a precious right that belongs to all Americans. It is vital to the survival of a free Republic. When the right to free speech is violated by mob action against the speaker, we are a step closer to tyranny.

Proposition 8 supporters in California had exercised their right to express their opinion, via a legal ballot measure. Many had donated money or time or both to that cause. For exercising this right, they had their homes and automobiles vandalized, and were subjected to public ridicule, having been approached and attacked in open public places, even their places of employment.

For a $1000 donation to the Prop 8 cause, Brendan Eich was forced to resign his position as CEO of a private company that he co-founded, and was the brains behind the Firefox browser, and the Java Script language used by nearly every Website on the Internet.

An article that appeared in American Thinker outlines the ramifications of this discriminatory act against Mozilla which was forced by angry mobs of homosexuals who threatened the company with calls, letters, and who knows what else.
Articles: Does Brendan Eich Have a Case Against Mozilla?
The violation of free speech rights has serious consequences for the survival of freedom. It is important that Americans are able to express their views without fear of retribution, especially when those views are expressed via the ballot box, or in open debate.

Recall that supporters of gun rights in New York had their names and addresses published, and were subject to similar actions as the supporters of Prop 8 in California. Is this where we are headed as a nation? Is this "Progress?" This is mob rule.
The 1st grants no protection against private retribution in reaction to speech.
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