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Old 04-25-2014, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by Opin_Yunated View Post
Irrelevant strawman.

It is simply not debateable. Any costs associated with voting are unconstitutional. It doesn't matter what type of petty logic you use. The ID, the birth certificate, even the stamp. Any fee for the act of voting is unconstitutional.
really..,..show me where.....

the voting areas are TAX FUNDED..therefore a cost.....oooppps there goes that arguement
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Old 04-25-2014, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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really..,..show me where.....

the voting areas are TAX FUNDED..therefore a cost.....oooppps there goes that arguement
Thta has got to be the dumbest example of logical contortionism I have seen on any thread in quite a while.
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Old 04-25-2014, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Thta has got to be the dumbest example of logical contortionism I have seen on any thread in quite a while.
but it works

the fact is liberals have to stop being two-faced
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Old 04-25-2014, 02:02 PM
 
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$3, $30, $50 … makes no difference. According to the Constitution, anything above $0.00 is unConstitutional.

End of discussion.
I get so sick of this interpretation. For instance the ruling was to prevent poll tax scheme, not say that since an ID used for all sorts of things cost money, it falls under the same category.
Heck taken to it's absurd conclusion, a person should be able to walk up to vote completely naked. Any rule requiring clothing would then be unconstitutional because clothes cost money. I assume that would be your take on it, right?
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Old 04-25-2014, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I get so sick of this interpretation. For instance the ruling was to prevent poll tax scheme, not say that since an ID used for all sorts of things cost money, it falls under the same category.
Heck taken to it's absurd conclusion, a person should be able to walk up to vote completely naked. Any rule requiring clothing would then be unconstitutional because clothes cost money. I assume that would be your take on it, right?
Nice strawman response.
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Old 04-25-2014, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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If that is true, why are tax payers footing the bill for voting machines and the such.
A complete red herring. This has nothing whatsoever to do with making it harder for specific individuals to vote.
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Old 04-25-2014, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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I get so sick of this interpretation. For instance the ruling was to prevent poll tax scheme, not say that since an ID used for all sorts of things cost money, it falls under the same category.
Heck taken to it's absurd conclusion, a person should be able to walk up to vote completely naked. Any rule requiring clothing would then be unconstitutional because clothes cost money. I assume that would be your take on it, right?
You miss the point.

Poll taxes were not unconstitutional because they cost. They were unconstitutional because they discriminated against certain classes of people, violating the equal protection clause.
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Old 04-25-2014, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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but it works

the fact is liberals have to stop being two-faced
This is where conservatives will always be at a disadvantage. They believe it is somehow wrong to have different standards for different situations. The universe is nuanced. Conservatism is not.

Reality leans to the left.
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Old 04-25-2014, 02:11 PM
 
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A complete red herring. This has nothing whatsoever to do with making it harder for specific individuals to vote.
This is not making it harder for anyone but delusional people and we can see it has affected some on these boards.
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Old 04-25-2014, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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But isn't that a catch 22.
Perhaps you should read the book. You do not appear to understand what a catch 22 is.

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Does not one have to prove they are a citizen. How do you prove that,
except by birth certificate or citizenship papers. And if you have that, you might as well get a
pic ID.
"You might as well" is not actually an argument that stands up in court or generally to critical scrutiny. The act of proving citizenship often takes place years and decades before the event of voting. A lot can happen in the interim, to include losing those original citizenship documents.

It happens all the time.

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For the likes of me, I don't know why anybody would not have some form of photo I.D.
in 2014 other than children and the very very old, over 90.
Your personal inability to comprehend something is unlikely to ever be recognized as the legal standard of what is or is not true. Perhaps now would be as good a time as any to accept that simple fact.

I'll ignore your mug shot joke, giving you the benefit of the doubt that it was a joke.
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