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And from the link on how to order your birth certificate
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ID requirements must be met before you receive your requested vital certificate. You will receive an email within one week of submitting this application with instructions on how to send a copy of your government issued picture ID. The ID must be of the person requesting the vital certificate.
Can't get an ID without a BC and can't order the BC without an ID.
A complete red herring. This has nothing whatsoever to do with making it harder for specific individuals to vote.
I was responding to the "cost associated with" argument.
But really, how hard is it for someone to get a photo id in this day and age?
Frankly for cost and all other reasons, if you show up in person to vote, you should have
to prove who you are by a PIC ID.
And if you don't have a pic, vote by mail, requesting an absentee ballot.
If you are homeless, I'm sure you have major concerns other than voting.
If our young men at age 18 have to register with selective service by law, it is the least we can
ask that our voters show proof of who they are when it comes time to vote,
since they are electing Congressmen and Presidents that send our kids off to war.
I was responding to the "cost associated with" argument.
But really, how hard is it for someone to get a photo id in this day and age?
Frankly for cost and all other reasons, if you show up in person to vote, you should have
to prove who you are by a PIC ID.
And if you don't have a pic, vote by mail, requesting an absentee ballot.
If you are homeless, I'm sure you have major concerns other than voting.
If our young men at age 18 have to register with selective service by law, it is the least we can
ask that our voters show proof of who they are when it comes time to vote,
since they are electing Congressmen and Presidents that send our kids off to war.
Nope. It just doesn't work that way.
Rights do not have to be proven, sorry. Voting is a right. If you want to deny someone their constitutional citizen right, you must provide proof.
No thanks , it's common sense and if you can't figure that out then you have serious issues. I am asking YOU personally why is it so hard for one to obtain a voter ID .
Have to say, from my viewpoint, it does seem that way. Not only are we allowing people to just use the honor system to register to vote but we're hamstringing ourselves in even proving voter fraud is happening because no proof of citizenship is required at any point in the process from registration to actual voting. Makes it awfully easy to commit large scale and largely undetectable voter fraud.
I hold voter registrations in PA, OH, Fl and Illinois where I own houses.. I easily could vote 4 times in every election.. I wonder if the left would approve of that.
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Irrelevant strawman.
It is simply not debateable. Any costs associated with voting are unconstitutional. It doesn't matter what type of petty logic you use. The ID, the birth certificate, even the stamp. Any fee for the act of voting is unconstitutional.
Go argue with the Supreme Court that you shouldnt be required a birth certificate..
I was responding to the "cost associated with" argument.
And you were doing so incoherently. There is no relationship whatsoever between the argument against a "poll tax" and the payment for voting infrastructure which effects every voter identically in terms of their ability to exercise the franchise.
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Originally Posted by pollyrobin
But really, how hard is it for someone to get a photo id in this day and age?
I just provided a rather lengthy webliography that provides you with an opportunity to answer that question authoritatively.
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Originally Posted by pollyrobin
Frankly for cost and all other reasons, if you show up in person to vote, you should have
to prove who you are by a PIC ID.
Your opinion is noted. It is at variance with this court decision, and all the actual evidence.
Rights do not have to be proven, sorry. Voting is a right. If you want to deny someone their constitutional citizen right, you must provide proof.
Okay, but that's not the case with other rights. When states have passed laws against various ownership or carrying of guns, they didn't "prove" anything to deny that right, they just did so because they claimed it was for the general good. Thus, wouldn't it be for the general good to only have citizens voting so we do not subvert the voting process in this country? Shouldn't requiring proof of citizenship or proof of who you are be reasonable to protect the voting process in this country?
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