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Old 05-15-2014, 08:18 AM
 
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Based on the affidavit I linked to earlier, Mr. Kaarma perceived a threat and provided supporting details. Whether that will convince a jury is another discussion.

A couple of years ago a drunk teen crawled through the open window of a house that looked like his but wasn't. He was shot dead. Kids do stupid things and sometimes those decisions get them killed. At the barrel of a gun, behind the wheel of a car or by many other means.
This is what happens in a barbaric society.

Accidentally walking into someone's house after a night out is not grounds for death.

Uneducated and uncultured gun owners do not have the right to be jury and executioner in such cases.

If people didn't have as many guns, sad events like this would not happen.
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Old 05-15-2014, 08:21 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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This is what happens in a barbaric society.

Accidentally walking into someone's house after a night out is not grounds for death.

Uneducated and uncultured gun owners do not have the right to be jury and executioner in such cases.

If people didn't have as many guns, sad events like this would not happen.
So instead I should wait for whoever comes into my house to kill me, then I'll know their true intentions and can defend myself.

The problem with this country is lack of responsibility for ones action. If you go into someone's house in bye middle of the night through a window their is a good chance you might be shot.

How about stopping people from going into people's houses instead of the homeowner defending themselves.


If you play stupid games, sometimes you win stupid prizes.
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Old 05-15-2014, 08:22 AM
 
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To be clear - I'm all for defending your home and property, but there are limits. Setting a "trap" is one of those limits. If someone breaks into my home, I'm going to react in whatever way I need to in order to protect myself and my wife. We've got insurance for the stuff, we've got guns for our physical safety.
This post sums up what I view as an appropriate position of RESPONSIBLE gun owners.
The nut jobs that say he deserved to die because he trespassed, are NOT helping any 2nd amendment arguements.

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Old 05-15-2014, 08:23 AM
 
Location: MS
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I never claimed it wasn't illegal, did I?

If you leave your front door unlocked and I come in, uninvited, I believe that's unlawful entry? I'm sure it varies with local laws.
And it would be legal for me to use deadly force without giving you a chance to explain yourself, leave, etc. In fact, I don't even have to clearly see you. If I can account for all people who are supposed to be in my house, I can just see your silhouette in the dark and eliminate the threat.

My mother-in-law stopped coming over unannounced after our castle doctrine was passed.
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Old 05-15-2014, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Spokane, WA
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This is what happens in a barbaric society.

Accidentally walking into someone's house after a night out is not grounds for death.

Uneducated and uncultured gun owners do not have the right to be jury and executioner in such cases.

If people didn't have as many guns, sad events like this would not happen.
Your third sentence is correct, your fourth sentence is false. Stupid people do stupid things regardless of how many "bad-scary inanimate objects" there are around them.
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Old 05-15-2014, 08:28 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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This post sums up what I view as an appropriate position of RESPONSIBLE gun owners.
The nut jobs that say he deserved to die because he trespassed, are NOT helping any 2nd amendment arguements.
And their is no way of knowing at the time if someone is here to steel stuff or to hurt you and your family, so it is more than reasonable to give the benefit of the doubt to the person not in process of committing a felony.
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Old 05-15-2014, 08:30 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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This post sums up what I view as an appropriate position of RESPONSIBLE gun owners.
The nut jobs that say he deserved to die because he trespassed, are NOT helping any 2nd amendment arguements.

Thanks. Now that it's quoted, I wish I could type this AM. That should read: "...guns for our physical safety."
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Old 05-15-2014, 08:31 AM
 
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So instead I should wait for whoever comes into my house to kill me, then I'll know their true intentions and can defend myself.

The problem with this country is lack of responsibility for ones action. If you go into someone's house in bye middle of the night through a window their is a good chance you might be shot.

How about stopping people from going into people's houses instead of the homeowner defending themselves.


If you play stupid games, sometimes you win stupid prizes.
There shouldn't be a good chance you get shot. Particularly if you are a kid. Gun owners do not have the right to wantonly take peoples lives. It is sad that gun owners immediately come to the defense of a man who had premeditated this and was intoxicated.

The gun culture in certain parts of the United States is vile, backwards, uncivilized and most certainly doesn't fit the second part of the second amendment all of you gun lovers seen to forget...

"Well-regulated"

This guy should get 5-10
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Old 05-15-2014, 08:31 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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And it would be legal for me to use deadly force without giving you a chance to explain yourself, leave, etc. In fact, I don't even have to clearly see you. If I can account for all people who are supposed to be in my house, I can just see your silhouette in the dark and eliminate the threat.

My mother-in-law stopped coming over unannounced after our castle doctrine was passed.
Possibly true in your state. Would deliberately setting a trap, in the manner the accused man's wife claims they did, get you into legal hot water in MS?
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Old 05-15-2014, 08:33 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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You don't diffuse a situation when you are in a vulnerable position with an unknown person who is potentially aggressive. According to the affidavit I linked to earlier, Mr. Kaarma was just outside of his garage with his back to the grill of his pickup truck. You can't retreat with an automobile behind you. Now stand outside your garage at night and try to see inside. That's an extremely open position to be in.

Why the name calling?
If that's a disadvantaged position to be in, sounds like Mr. Kaarma should have used better tactics.

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