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Old 06-02-2014, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Everyone at the mcdonalds i just returned from speaks english without an accent. Im pretty sure theyre not even immigrants.
The Wendy's I went to over the weekend had Jewish teens and black teens working at it, and this poor white guy that looked stressed managing a bunch of teenagers.
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Old 06-02-2014, 08:54 PM
 
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The Wendy's I went to over the weekend had Jewish teens and black teens working at it, and this poor white guy that looked stressed managing a bunch of teenagers.
That's exactly what they are for. It is for someone's first job. Not a career burger flippers. No they don't have the skill set worth $15.

If you are flipping burger for more than 2 years, you have a problem.
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Old 06-02-2014, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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That's exactly what they are for. It is for someone's first job. Not a career burger flippers. No they don't have the skill set worth $15.

If you are flipping burger for more than 2 years, you have a problem.
$15hr isn't that much anymore, you need to stop acting like it is still 1992.
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Old 06-02-2014, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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That's exactly what they are for. It is for someone's first job. Not a career burger flippers. No they don't have the skill set worth $15.

If you are flipping burger for more than 2 years, you have a problem.
Seattle's law does have a lower wage for teens. They won't be getting $15/hour.
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Old 06-02-2014, 09:08 PM
 
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$15hr isn't that much anymore, you need to stop acting like it is still 1992.

The point is they don't have the skill set to deserve $15 an hour.
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Old 06-02-2014, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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So the person making $12, or $14 now, who has some skills, will they all make the same as a FF worker? Doesn't seem "fair" to pay someone with skills the same as a burger maker. Or perhaps these people will insist on a raise and need more money.

I think there will be a domino effect of wage increases.
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Old 06-02-2014, 09:14 PM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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$15hr isn't that much anymore, you need to stop acting like it is still 1992.
If you have every owned a business, you know that taking a 60% hit on payroll is a big problem. For those that have a lot of minimum wage employees this is not going to be easy, though the phase-in will help. When i had a business I was paying $10-12 back in 2004, and the employees were worth it because they had skills. It would have been really tough to deal with having to pay them 60% more.
My business was in Bellevue but most customers were in Seattle. I'd expect more out-of-town businesses that provide services to be doing more work in Seattle since they will be able to offer much more competitive prices.
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Old 06-02-2014, 09:17 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Going to be interesting to see how this affects Seattle. We already have the highest min wage in the state of Washington and I don't think it's hurt us but it did cause low some wage employers to leave the state... which wasn't necessarily a bad thing imo.

I don't think it's going to cause all the doom and gloom some are predicting but I think many of the low wage services and jobs will move outside the city limits to the north and south. East of Seattle is very prosperous and they might try to outdo Seattle's $15/hr.
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Old 06-02-2014, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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If you have every owned a business, you know that taking a 60% hit on payroll is a big problem. For those that have a lot of minimum wage employees this is not going to be easy, though the phase-in will help. When i had a business I was paying $10-12 back in 2004, and the employees were worth it because they had skills. It would have been really tough to deal with having to pay them 60% more.
My business was in Bellevue but most customers were in Seattle. I'd expect more out-of-town businesses that provide services to be doing more work in Seattle since they will be able to offer much more competitive prices.
Only if your business runs on paying people below $15hr. Would be paying those same workers $10-12 today? Which that is still low for any skilled worker in 2004.
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Old 06-02-2014, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Going to be interesting to see how this affects Seattle. We already have the highest min wage in the state of Washington and I don't think it's hurt us but it did cause low some wage employers to leave the state... which wasn't necessarily a bad thing imo.

I don't think it's going to cause all the doom and gloom some are predicting but I think many of the low wage services and jobs will move outside the city limits to the north and south. East of Seattle is very prosperous and they might try to outdo Seattle's $15/hr.
What kind of low wage services and jobs would move outside of the city?
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