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Old 06-07-2014, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Chesterfield,Virginia
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including the government ones.
And as we can learn from the past .. All of the Dictatorial Governments kept their weapons!
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Old 06-07-2014, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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The anti-gun male:



"In short, he is a man begging for subjugation. He longs for its promise of equality in helplessness. Because only when that strange, independent alpha breed of male is helpless along with him will he feel adequate. Indeed, his freedom lies in this other man's containment."
So much win...
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Old 06-07-2014, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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The antiquated 2nd Amendment needs to be repealed. None other then conservative columnist George Will suggested we repeal the "embarassing" 2nd Amendment way back in 1991.

George Will Second Amendment | How Embarrassing: The Constitution Protects the Guns that Kill - Baltimore Sun

I have not checked recently but I am guessing Will may have changed his mind. I don't know and I don't care.

The 2nd Amendment is a blemish on the U.S. constitution....and our gun culture is an embarassing national shame.

No offense to the honest hunters out there. That can be sensibly regulated. But it is the gun nuts who insist they walk into coffee shops and public places with guns that make me sick. Grown men who still want to play army. I'll leave that to our professional men and women in the U.S. military.

And spare me the paranoid speeches about the tyrannical government that is going to knock down your door with the barrel of a gun pointing at your paranoid mind. The government has stockpiles and stockpiles of nuclear weapons. No amount of private gun ownership could stand up to that. A strong democracy does not or should not need such a foolish notion to thrive.

I know I'll be long dead before this ever has a chance of happening
...seems the lunatics have taken over. That is the lunatics at the NRA have their fists up the a&* of our elected leaders in Congress.
I guess that depends on your age and other factors, but with a mass murder by gun occurring with ever greater frequency, you may be surprised how fast public opinion come around. I liken it to the speed that gay marriage opinion changed. It's a new world.
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Old 06-07-2014, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Great post. There is a couple here dedicated to guns and crime:

//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...ates-guns.html

//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...-so-300-a.html
You made your choice to be unarmed, We should we all have to suffer and live under your choice?

We are not a democracy we are Constitutional Republic.
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Old 06-07-2014, 08:16 PM
 
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The anti-gun male:



"In short, he is a man begging for subjugation. He longs for its promise of equality in helplessness. Because only when that strange, independent alpha breed of male is helpless along with him will he feel adequate. Indeed, his freedom lies in this other man's containment."
This has got to be one of the dumbest statements I have ever read.

Let's see if I understand this inane statement:

The anti gun male:

Being anti-gun equals helplessness.
Without his guns an independent alpha male is helpless.
"Independent alpha males" are only free when they have their guns.


In other words, Alpha males, have no identity beyond what their guns gives them.

That is a pretty pathetic portrait of an alpha male.
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Old 06-07-2014, 08:18 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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The antiquated 2nd Amendment needs to be repealed. None other then conservative columnist George Will suggested we repeal the "embarassing" 2nd Amendment way back in 1991.

George Will Second Amendment | How Embarrassing: The Constitution Protects the Guns that Kill - Baltimore Sun

I have not checked recently but I am guessing Will may have changed his mind. I don't know and I don't care.

The 2nd Amendment is a blemish on the U.S. constitution....and our gun culture is an embarassing national shame.

No offense to the honest hunters out there. That can be sensibly regulated. But it is the gun nuts who insist they walk into coffee shops and public places with guns that make me sick. Grown men who still want to play army. I'll leave that to our professional men and women in the U.S. military.

And spare me the paranoid speeches about the tyrannical government that is going to knock down your door with the barrel of a gun pointing at your paranoid mind. The government has stockpiles and stockpiles of nuclear weapons. No amount of private gun ownership could stand up to that. A strong democracy does not or should not need such a foolish notion to thrive.

I know I'll be long dead before this ever has a chance of happening...seems the lunatics have taken over. That is the lunatics at the NRA have their fists up the a&* of our elected leaders in Congress.
I don't hunt anymore. Used to...avidly, and still love a good grilled elk or venison back strap, but I just don't hunt anymore. I do still own weapons, however. You would never know it by looking at me. No rifle rack in my truck. And I'm as honest as any other law abiding citizen. I wish neither you or any one else, gun Rights advocate or denier, any ill. I just wish to be left alone. I enjoy shooting and the shooting sports and I feel zero embarrassment for our Constitution , as is.

I could care less what the rest of the world, especially Europe, thinks. I m willing to bet there are a few million people in Africa who wish they had a 2a. Whenever the RUF or whatever sadistic vermin is in power that day rolls into their village with rusty bolos . Criminals here need to think twice before getting v to froggy. If you are so embarrassed by our country, leave. Go to France. Or maybe Nigeria. You could fit right in there. No regular citizens are allowed guns there. Don't need them anyway. They have no hands to hold them because of "gun control".
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Old 06-07-2014, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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I guess that depends on your age and other factors, but with a mass murder by gun occurring with ever greater frequency, you may be surprised how fast public opinion come around. I liken it to the speed that gay marriage opinion changed. It's a new world.
Not really, more and more people are seeing gun free zones and strict laws do nothing but disarm people from defending themselves.

Also Gay Marriage is nothing like the 2nd Amendment because I can find the 2nd Amendment in the Constitution..

Gay marriage is about gaining something and gun control is about taking something aware from a group of people who have done nothing wrong..

You guys got nothing out of Sandy Hook, I am that should tell you something..
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Old 06-07-2014, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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This has got to be one of the dumbest statements I have ever read.

Let's see if I understand this inane statement:

The anti gun male:

Being anti-gun equals helplessness.
Without his guns an independent alpha male is helpless.
"Independent alpha males" are only free when they have their guns.


In other words, Alpha males, have no identity beyond what their guns gives them.

That is a pretty pathetic portrait of an alpha male.
They are at the most independent when they have the means of self defense and the force to fight off and destroy what ever threat they face..

Their tools are their identity and part of who and want we are, our heritage, our culture, our values, and the fact we will fight for them.

Alpha Male..

I needed to break down the core question first: what does it mean to be a Alpha Male?

This is hardly a new question and a great many answers have been found by different groups over the eons. What I came up with is, beneath all the various forms of socio-cultural machismo window dressing, it boils down to a few key elements: an open mind, emotional control, and honor.

A real Alpha Males keeps an open mind. Not only does he freely admit when presented with new information that show his earlier views to be wrong, he seeks out those holes and weak spots in his beliefs so as to repair, or if need be, rebuild them.

A real Alpha Males is the master of his emotions. He feels them and is influenced by them, yet they do not rule him. They are tools in his workbelt. He does not lash out in rage: his righteous anger keeps him standing defiantly in the breach where others fall or flee. He does not cower in terror: his fear is tempered into caution and prudence, and it fuels his strength when lives are on the line.

Above all, a real Alpha Males is honorable. Not the trappings of honor found in the codes of chivalry or bushido, but the real deal: someone who does what is right, regardless of personal cost. He stands by his word. He holds himself accountable for his actions, good and bad. When he hears lies, he speaks out against them. When he sees evil, he fights it.

And therein lay the answer. some would be correct if all Alpha Males were Alpha Males, or at least strove to be. A gun does not make a man a Man, any more than a hammer makes a carpenter. Yet, while a carpenter can do most of his job without a hammer, and while there are certainly items besides a hammer he could use to pound in nails if need be, there will always be certain tasks for which it is just the best tool there is.

In the same way, if someone tries to harm me or my loved ones, or if I see a person being raped, or some lunatic shooting into a crowd, why should I have to settle for a loose rock, a pocket knife, or some other substandard tool? Why should I use anything less than the best tool for the job?

A real Alpha Male indeed does not need a gun to stand on his own two feet, or even to stand up against another Alpha Males. But the sad truth of the world is that not all Alpha Males are Alpha Males, and there are monsters in the darkness that wear the semblance of Alpha Males. As Alpha Males, it is our duty to stand against those monsters wherever and whenever we encounter them. Sometimes the best tool is our words, others it is our votes. Sometimes it is simply the example we set for others.

And sometimes, however rarely, that necessary tool is a gun.
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Old 06-07-2014, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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I know I'll be long dead before this ever has a chance of happening...seems the lunatics have taken over. That is the lunatics at the NRA have their fists up the a&* of our elected leaders in Congress.
And that is a good thing.
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Old 06-07-2014, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Why would I suffer because 200,000 guns are stolen every year and end up in hands of criminals? Why would Anybody have to suffer when some idiot with a gun walks into a child care, school or a courthouse and opens fire on random people...

Not for long, bud. Not for long.

And yes, we are a democracy: we chose our government through democratic elections.
Some are stolen, some are lost and reported stolen, ect.

What about the ones that are import or sold on the black market?

Why should those people be forced to be unarmed and helpless in the face of that murder?

Answer that question?
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