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Old 06-10-2014, 02:25 PM
 
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In another thread liberals were saying if they take welfare away, then they'll just rob people. Obviously they don't want to be met up with a family defending themselves and their money.
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Old 06-10-2014, 02:26 PM
 
Location: MS
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I agree that most anything can be a weapon in the hands of someone with intent to harm. But, with all due respect, a person armed with a stiletto would have a difficult time killing 20 elementary school children in a matter of minutes. Can we please demonstrate a little common sense here? There is plenty of room in the second amendment for sensible gun control measures that do not trample on the right of American citizens to keep and bear arms.
What do you propose?
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Old 06-10-2014, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Maybe if people such as yourself and others that are like minded would just stop and listen instead of running in circles , waving your arms around (metaphorically) you would see many , many people are trying to point out the root causes.
In the inner cities, it's a complete breakdown of human values. Thugs will kill someone for $20 bill or an Ipod... don't you think there is something wrong there other than the gun ? Why are kids (many are 14-18) lacking a value for human life ?

The next thing is the mental health issue. Why are there a certain demographic of people (young adult, socially awkward, diagnosed with mental health issues, etc) snapping and going on killing spree's. Are the meds just not working, are they taking them, are they the cause , etc... Again a deeper issue is here other than the gun.

Then the next thing is just people that are just wired wrong or an event happens in their lives where they snap.. I don't think anything can solve this type of violence.

Until these issues are addressed nothing is going to be solved, anything else is a band-aid. And it seems like the left are afraid to address these because some of the answers might not be too PC. These are tough issues and to solve them is not going to be easy and feelings will be hurt I'm sure.
Yes, very good post.

The left finds it easier to blame an inanimate object, rather than a person or underlying causes for certain behavior.

You know that the left is intellectually bankrupt on this subject when they have to resort to fallacies and personal attacks (children, fetishists, "gun nuts", etc...)

What is the left's hang up with equating firearms with sex?

It is quite disturbing that their mind would even go there, and would appear to be a red flag that there is something wrong with them.

Dr. Freud would have something to say about that approach.
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Old 06-10-2014, 02:28 PM
 
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I agree that most anything can be a weapon in the hands of someone with intent to harm. But, with all due respect, a person armed with a stiletto would have a difficult time killing 20 elementary school children in a matter of minutes. Can we please demonstrate a little common sense here? There is plenty of room in the second amendment for sensible gun control measures that do not trample on the right of American citizens to keep and bear arms.

It's funny that gun nuts talk about "brain washing" of so-called "gun-grabbers" (which includes anyone who simply wants some sense put into the whole thing.)

I've never been on a website or read a single book about "gun grabbing" or gun laws. My opinions are simply common sense developed over decades of actual rational thought.

With all these "pencils are dangerous weapons" fools you have here, it's fairly obvious who spends more time frequenting "brainwashing" forums and websites, and it isn't the "gun grabbers." You really have to be severely short on common sense, intellect, or maturity to think that is a valid comparison.
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Old 06-10-2014, 02:29 PM
 
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There have been 74 gun incidents at schools in America since Sandy Hook. Here they all are... http://www.vox.com/2014/6/10/5797306/map-school-shooting-sandy-hook
90 homicides so far this year in the D...I believe 10 of those were deemed justifiable (I guess a firearm for protection does work), there were over 300 homocides last year. Why hasn't there been outrage for these ?

Detroit homicide update: 90 year-to-date killings in 2014 a 24 percent decline | MLive.com
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Old 06-10-2014, 02:30 PM
 
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Yes, very good post.

The left finds it easier to blame an inanimate object, rather than a person or underlying causes for certain behavior.

You know that the left is intellectually bankrupt on this subject when they have to resort to fallacies and personal attacks (children, fetishists, etc...)

What is the left's hang up with equating firearms with sex?

It is quite disturbing that their mind would even go there, and would appear to be a red flag that there is something wrong with them.

Dr. Freud would have something to say about that approach.
The blame is not on the object itself, it's the object enabling people who are nuts to carry out killing so easily. It really doesn't take the mind of a rocket scientist to figure that out.
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Old 06-10-2014, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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I agree that most anything can be a weapon in the hands of someone with intent to harm. But, with all due respect, a person armed with a stiletto would have a difficult time killing 20 elementary school children in a matter of minutes. Can we please demonstrate a little common sense here? There is plenty of room in the second amendment for sensible gun control measures that do not trample on the right of American citizens to keep and bear arms.
Not according to the NRA. They have been rather intractable about it even though they want to say otherwise. They are dooming their own cause with that attitude of course. No, the constitutional right has to go and be replaced by a privilege that is earned through civil comportment, demonstrated mental competency, a degree of maturity, and is granted where a true need is recognized, for the purpose of hunting or sport shooting for example.
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Old 06-10-2014, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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All of these shootings are happening in liberal strongholds; Santa Barbara, Seattle, Portland.
No, they're happening in a country with as many guns as people. That a far right or a center right party happens to be in power at the time is probably less a factor than that.
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Old 06-10-2014, 02:32 PM
 
Location: MS
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The blame is not on the object itself, it's the object enabling people who are nuts to carry out killing so easily. It really doesn't take the mind of a rocket scientist to figure that out.
How do you determine "nuts"? Once pronounced "nuts", what do you do with those people?
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Old 06-10-2014, 02:32 PM
 
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Background checks, licensing, and tracking of guns. It's as simple as that. It's sensible, it wouldn't stop law abiding people from having guns. People have a right to vote...but the government administrates it.

The problem is that the element that actually REALLY pushes the current situation is the element that believes it is or will be at war with the government. It's a fringe-nut belief system that somehow has been bought into by far too man people who aren't fringe-nuts in their everyday lives. This fringe-nut belief system has enabled nuts to get their hands on guns far to easily.


And yeah, a stilleto shoe is as dangerous as a glock.

I can't give that thought process the only reasonable response it deserves, which is an insult.
Just in case you aren't aware, this already happens. So now what ?
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