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Old 07-01-2014, 10:57 AM
 
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Nuclear energy can't be used to power the transportation system, so the premise of the thread title that it could replace fossil fuels is not valid. No matter of how much nuclear energy you have, you still need vast amounts of fossil fuels to run all the cars, airplanes, trains, semi trucks, etc.
Nuclear energy could certainly be used to power electric trains and plug-in electric cars.
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Old 07-01-2014, 11:17 AM
 
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Seems like, there would have been a marvelous opportunity for a proper conservative state to swoop in and take on the job. Surely can't be that hard of a sell to a proper non-lib constituency?
It's not about an individual "state." It's about geology and geography.
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Old 07-01-2014, 11:22 AM
 
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Three-Mile Island and Chernobyl didn't help. Were those liberals too?
Certainly didn't help. Gave certain credence to liberal scaremongering....at least in a political sense. In reality, it didn't mean the nation's nuclear infrastructure was unsafe.
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Old 07-01-2014, 11:28 AM
 
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Certainly didn't help. Gave certain credence to liberal scaremongering....at least in a political sense. In reality, it didn't mean the nation's nuclear infrastructure was unsafe.
Haha!! Gave certain credence! Is it still "scaremongering" when it comes true?

That's a rhetorical question, by the way.
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Old 07-01-2014, 11:31 AM
 
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Cars and trains can run on electricity.



Nobody wants nuclear waste in their backyard--not Nevadans, Mississippians, not Floridians.

They can, but they aren't.

Electric cars make up less than 1% of cars in the US. Nearly all rail freight is driven by diesel (fossil fuel) locomotives. Passenger train service also uses diesel power for the most part with a couple token electric locomotives thrown in, but hardly anyone uses Amtrak anymore because the trains are so slow and outdated. The passenger train technology is from the 19th century and not high speed like they have in most of the industrial world.

As long as the oil and auto lobby are allowed to buy off the congress, and allowed to give unlimited amounts of legal bribes err I mean campaign donations to politicians because the SCOTUS says that money and legalized bribery are a form of free speech protected by the 1st amendment (lol), that wont be changing anytime soon.
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Old 07-01-2014, 11:49 AM
 
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They can, but they aren't.

Electric cars make up less than 1% of cars in the US. Nearly all rail freight is driven by diesel (fossil fuel) locomotives.
You are WAY too stuck in the present! No one on this thread has said we can go all-electric tomorrow. But most of the world runs their trains from electricity, and it WILL happen here eventually.
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Passenger train service also uses diesel power for the most part with a couple token electric locomotives thrown in, but hardly anyone uses Amtrak anymore because the trains are so slow and outdated. The passenger train technology is from the 19th century and not high speed like they have in most of the industrial world.
Amtrak has been having record ridership for the past several years with modern equipment, not from the 19th century. The trains might not hit 220mph, but 80mph isn't slow either. You really should try and understand what you're arguing against rather than just regurgitating long-disproven talking points.
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As long as the oil and auto lobby are allowed to buy off the congress, and allowed to give unlimited amounts of legal bribes err I mean campaign donations to politicians because the SCOTUS says that money and legalized bribery are a form of free speech protected by the 1st amendment (lol), that wont be changing anytime soon.
Don't bet on it. The oil lobby won't have any more money to bribe the politicians with once the oil is all used up.
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Old 07-01-2014, 11:52 AM
 
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Haha!! Gave certain credence! Is it still "scaremongering" when it comes true?

That's a rhetorical question, by the way.
Rhetorical or not, the scope of 3 Mile Island accident didn't have any impact on existing nuclear facilities that I am aware of. Liberal scaremongering is the only thing that actually gained traction.
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Old 07-01-2014, 12:19 PM
 
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Amtrak has been having record ridership for the past several years with modern equipment, not from the 19th century. The trains might not hit 220mph, but 80mph isn't slow either. You really should try and understand what you're arguing against rather than just regurgitating long-disproven talking points.
80mph is just the top speed, which is pathetic enough. But the actual average speed of Amtrak is more like 60-70mph, speeds that are from the 19th century. Worse, Amtrak has to share rails with freight trains, bogging the system down even further. There are no dedicated passenger lines. Speeds are a bit higher on the Acela line but still slow and only available if you live in the northeast. Pretty sad.
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Old 07-01-2014, 12:39 PM
 
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Uh, no. Fukishima is a few years old. And so is the natural gas boom. This does nothing to erase the 40 years of liberals' intransigence towards nuclear energy policy.

Try again.
Fukushima brought on major fear by the public and brought an onslaught of new regulations for fromt eh NRC. Containment, seismological testing, strengthening of reactor houses, etc... was mandated for existing nuclear power plants and required. Also, nuclear cannot compete with natural gas in terms of costs. It's far more lucrative in the short term for companies like Duke Energy to retrofit a coal fire plant and build 10 natural gas plants than to build a single nuclear reactor.

As for timing... Do you think nuclear reactors get approved overnight? It can take many, many years to get throught eh regulatory process fo building a nuclear reactor. That may not be fast enough in your book, but we've also managed to not kill people with our plants as well.

As of last year there were 30 active applications for new nuclear reactors in the US. NRC: Location of Projected New Nuclear Power Reactors

One can quibble about our lack of progress on technology and storage versus countries like France, but you can't say that it's dead.

Now just how is "liberalism" holding us back?

So, nice try. But you could have saved a lot of time by taking 30 seconds to google before starting this thread.
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Old 07-01-2014, 12:53 PM
 
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Being against one thing doesn't mean you're not also against the alternatives.
If you had a mind for logic, you would know this.
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