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Oh, for crying out loud. If you raised the federal minimum wage by a penny, some conservatives would pitch a fit.
Why is the assumption that the only way to make more money is to raise the minimum wage?
The minimum wage should be the floor for which an employee bounces from, not stays stuck to for the entirety of their careers. If the motivation to excel does not exist, then the increased pay should not exist either.
That's why I go to Costco, everybody's friendly, everybody's attentive and smiling, after all nobody there makes less than $18 an hour so costco employees don't have to work two jobs and come to work already tired and grumpy.
Remember, you get what you pay for...
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Originally Posted by Emigrations
I went to Wal-Mart and Hardees this morning. I tried to get some deli meat at Wally World, and the clerk was very surly. Only one line was open, backed up with customers, and the cashier there was also very unfriendly. The Hardees was unclean and I ordered a chicken biscuit, and ended up with sausage. If these people can't do better than this, why do they deserve a raise?
Why is the assumption that the only way to make more money is to raise the minimum wage?
The minimum wage should be the floor for which an employee bounces from, not stays stuck to for the entirety of their careers. If the motivation to excel does not exist, then the increased pay should not exist either.
Get go your high horse, will ya? People get stuck in jobs all time, some in dead end office job, some in minimum wage job. It's not a matter of "excelling" but available options. No reason for starve just because their employer is a cheapskate.
Why is the assumption that the only way to make more money is to raise the minimum wage?
The minimum wage should be the floor for which an employee bounces from, not stays stuck to for the entirety of their careers. If the motivation to excel does not exist, then the increased pay should not exist either.
If you don't raise the minimum wage on occasion, you penalize the minimum wage workers who are doing those jobs currently as opposed to those who did the same job when the pay from those jobs had more purchasing power.
What you say is true in a feudal system. You have the Lords and you have the serfs. Outside of this very limited and obscene application what you are saying is complete nonsense. Your attitude is what caused most of the revolutions in the world and is directly responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths.
You clearly know nothing about life in feudal Europe of the Middle Ages. In the feudal system, the serfs and peasants tithed a portion of their work (whatever crop they farmed, or other labor output) to the tune of 10% on average. The noble lords paid monetary taxes to the king, again in the 10% range, maybe 15% in times of prolonged war. But serfs and peasants, while expected to work, were very mobile and would not suffer oppressive tax rates or working conditions. In return, serfs and peasants actually had a life that most Americans would envy today. They spent maybe half the year working, and the rest of the time partying.
Revolutions were typically a result of a single tyrant making life miserable for the nobility, as only they could afford to raise armies, and equip & mobilize them. In these cases, the nobility would band together and overthrow said tyrant. In the case of the real bloody revolutions, say like the French, a tyrant moron for king and really bad socialist policies that make problems worse added together caused a revolution, but not lack of wages on the part of the merchant class. In the French Revolution example, growing resentment was the wood/kindling, and the food shortages caused by absurd socialist policies "meant to help" became the food riot flame that lit the fire.
The merchant/land owning class even in the Early and Late Middle Ages weren't long for being productive if they treated their workers poorly, and the y all had to pony up to the king somehow, who did not take lack of tribute well. One of the biggest myths about feudal Europe is that it was tough on the merchant and labor classes. Like I said, most Americans would kill to have the life of a Medieval serf.
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The pre revolutionary rulers of both China and Russia thought the exact same as you. Do you see where it got them and their countries? It got them dead and it get their countries totalitarian communist dictatorships.
In both pre-Communist China and Russia, the nobility wreaked their own brand of havoc on the merchant and working classes, followed by even worse havoc from the new Communist masters. The merchant class that actually employed people, and the local, low level nobility were much nicer to their workers than the revolution's leadership propaganda would have you believe. The reason is because the local merchant, farmer, artisan, etc were so directly responsible to the market and their workers just for their own survival and safety. Where it always gets mucked up is when the ruling national authority decides to meddle, either by oppressing the merchant class with taxes, or with policies designed to make them less profitable.
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Because of the unwillingness of the owners to pay livable wages, revolutions happened. Now, those revolutions were extreme because the owners only understood extreme measures. In so many cases the owners were able to finance counter revolutions and "Volia"!!!! We than had the wonderful experience of the Nazis, Fascists and all the other brutal right wing regimes we have seen in the last 100 years.
Wow. Could you be more ignorant about history?
The hyperinflation of 1923 followed by the 1929 US stock market crash (heavily affected Germany as we had given them two bailouts) followed by the Bruning devaluation/depression of 1930-32, on top of national humiliation from the London Ultimatum and just being slapped down by the treaty of Versailles generally, created an uncertain, uneasy, humiliated and increasingly poor Germany. The bankers and stockbrokers (particularly Jews) were scapegoated, but again, it was central government monetary and economic policy going back to 1922, not the merchant class or low level rich, that caused the problems.
And FYI - only 2.6% of the entire workforce, hourly or salary, makes the minimum wage, and over half of that group are tipped professions like waitresses/bartenders, who make more after tips are factored. That means 97.4% of the country makes more than employers are legally mandated to pay. What do those 97.4% know that the remaining 2.4% do not? Methinks employers, left alone to their own devices, end up paying their employees what their market and profit margin within that market will bear, and employees by and large work for wages they and their employer find mutually agreeable. I can confidently say that, given how 97.4% of the entire workforce makes more than minimum wage.
Why is the assumption that the only way to make more money is to raise the minimum wage?
The minimum wage should be the floor for which an employee bounces from, not stays stuck to for the entirety of their careers. If the motivation to excel does not exist, then the increased pay should not exist either.
Do you honestly think that Walmart's board of execs has ever had a single meeting in which they tried to figure out how to reward their hardest, best workers?
Do you honestly think that Walmart's board of execs has ever had a single meeting in which they tried to figure out how to reward their hardest, best workers?
I really doubt it.
No, but managers downstream in individual stores can.
And FYI - only 2.6% of the entire workforce, hourly or salary, makes the minimum wage, and over half of that group are tipped professions like waitresses/bartenders, who make more after tips are factored. That means 97.4% of the country makes more than employers are legally mandated to pay. What do those 97.4% know that the remaining 2.4% do not? Methinks employers, left alone to their own devices, end up paying their employees what their market and profit margin within that market will bear, and employees by and large work for wages they and their employer find mutually agreeable. I can confidently say that, given how 97.4% of the entire workforce makes more than minimum wage.
2.6% make at or below the federal minimum wage. Take out the states where the minimum wage has been raised and the percentage goes up. For instance, the alleged economic powerhouse of Texas has a percentage over 6%.
Maybe some workers know enough not to work a minimum wage job in Texas.
unskilled labor is like the cute blond that marries the rich lawyer and divorces 2 years later. her value contributed to society is beyond price but nevertheless she puts one, a big one, on it.
Do you honestly think that Walmart's board of execs has ever had a single meeting in which they tried to figure out how to reward their hardest, best workers?
I really doubt it.
Of course. It's called a promotion. No business will survive and thrive if it does not participate in an active leadership grooming program. Remember, leadership comes at all levels. From the head sweeper to the head cashier to the department manager to the store manager, and everywhere in between. These are positions to be filled, often with lots of turnover. And if the opportunities do not exist, move on to the next big thing available.
There will always be those who have no desire to move into management. And that's fine, but those people should not expect that a company who has a stack of applications 3 foot tall at every store to receive higher pay when there's always someone else who will do it for cheaper.
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