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Old 09-18-2014, 01:43 PM
 
Location: DFW
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Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA View Post
That's kinda your job to find out, no?
If you have a problem with law abiding citizens carrying handguns around, please feel free to go back to Denmark and stop complaining about our second amendment liberties.
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Old 09-18-2014, 01:43 PM
 
Location: DC
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The murder rate in Chicago is higher as a direct result of those restrictive and unconstitutional gun laws.

Alaska has no firearm restrictions. Alaska acknowledges the individual right to bear arms, and allows both open and conceal carry without restrictions or permits. We even have private citizens that own 105mm Howitzer artillery pieces and 88mm mortars, as well as combat aircraft and military tanks. There is no firearm that cannot be owned by private citizens in Alaska.
Great my choice will be a W68.
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Old 09-18-2014, 01:44 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Switzerland is proof that gun ownership isn't entirely to blame for mass homicide.
Switzerland is actually proof that good, comprehensive gun control laws work when combined with a society that preserves its social capital. They have the kinds of gun control laws over there that would make any NRA member freak out.
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Old 09-18-2014, 02:09 PM
 
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If you have a problem with law abiding citizens carrying handguns around, please feel free to go back to Denmark and stop complaining about our second amendment liberties.
Interesting response to a post asking SourD to do his own research, but whatever pulls your slide.
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Old 09-18-2014, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Switzerland is actually proof that good, comprehensive gun control laws work when combined with a society that preserves its social capital. They have the kinds of gun control laws over there that would make any NRA member freak out.
The only kind of gun control that I will ever acknowledge is the ability to hit your target. Anything else is an infringement of my constitutionally protected individual right.
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Old 09-18-2014, 02:41 PM
 
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Crime has been declining in Chicago for 20 years Sparky.

Suicide in Alaska and all gun heavy states is aided by the fact that gun suicides are almost always successful. The states with few guns have much lower total suicide rates.

Compare gun crime in the US to the UK.
Sure but just because you don't have a gun doesn't mean a suicide can't be successful. These countries prove it otherwise:

World Suicide Rate Map - Business Insider
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Old 09-18-2014, 03:25 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Crime has been declining in Chicago for 20 years Sparky.

Suicide in Alaska and all gun heavy states is aided by the fact that gun suicides are almost always successful. The states with few guns have much lower total suicide rates.

Compare gun crime in the US to the UK.
Yet it had a marked and noticible decline when criminals thought people were armed. Across the nation ccw issuance has correlated with a falling crime rate. If you were worried about crime you would want all black males between 18 and 35 locked up since they are the ones committing the majority of crime in the US but are a small minority of the population. I guess it is easier to blame 2 pounds of metal and plastic than address the real issues.

Why does Japan have the highest suicide rate and no guns? Maybe it is because suicide has nothing to do with guns and everything to do with acceptable societal norms.

Compare crime in the US to the UK.
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Old 09-18-2014, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Sure but just because you don't have a gun doesn't mean a suicide can't be successful. These countries prove it otherwise:

World Suicide Rate Map - Business Insider
That reminds me of a Darwin Award I read about.

Apparently there was this french guy who was really keen on the idea of committing suicide. So keen in fact that he put a noose around his neck and tied the rope to a branch in a tree overlooking a 100 foot cliff that dropped into the ocean. He then proceeded to set himself on fire, and as the coup de grâce he used a revolver to shoot himself in the head.

Unfortunately, he missed his head with the revolver and shot the rope he was hanging from instead. He then proceeded to fall 100 feet down the cliff into the ocean, which put out the flames.

A local fisherman rescued him, only for him to die three days later in the hospital from hypothermia.

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Old 09-18-2014, 03:40 PM
 
Location: In your head, rent free
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We elect our government to place limits on society for the benefit of society.

The data are overwhelming, few guns = few gun deaths.

BTW your video is not from Washington DC. Swing and a miss.
Washington DC is the size of a corner of a postage stamp, not exactly the real world... but you know that, you live there.
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Old 09-18-2014, 03:43 PM
 
Location: In your head, rent free
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Swiss Army reservists are under military discipline and come with training, organization and a government-issued mobilization & action plan. That's what makes them an effective, coherent force. In other words, 100 random gun owners do not constitute a rifle company.

The Swiss tradition for shooting is centuries old and it's still considered a sign of a well-rounded man that he can hold his own as regards marksmanship. But nobody open-carries loaded weapons, because that would just be - not done. Doing so would mark you as not quite right in the head. (Also, it's illegal. But the Swiss social norms tend to work stronger than most actual laws.)
You paid a lot of money to train me how to properly and effectively defend this country with a rifle, I know enough people locally with the same kind of training who would be very proud to do their part defending this nation against a threat.

I also share the belief that shooting is a sign of a well-rounded man, that's why I'm skeptical of the mental ability of any man that supports strict gun control.
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