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You mean to say the kids actually let their parents have some of their food? My God! The horror! The abuse is staggering!!!!
Why not come up with food police that sit in on the meals and make sure not a grain of rice is eaten by the parents of these children. Only cost a couple hundred billion a year and to a conservative republican it would be money well spent. Jail the parents for illegal consumption and put the kid in a foster home.
Yeah, that's the ticket.
Why not just enforce the d*mn immigration laws that are on the books? Instead of whining about our "Broken" immigration laws? The only thing broken is the Government.
Why not just enforce the d*mn immigration laws that are on the books? Instead of whining about our "Broken" immigration laws? The only thing broken is the Government.
Further, honestly for pete sakes how many of the 27 million people in the US recieving SNAP are illegals?
Some actual facts about Food Stamps just to destroy some right wing conservative myths.
You mean distorted facts that aren't true.
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More than 80 percent of households that use food stamps have monthly incomes below the federal poverty line.
That's Propaganda & Disinformation based on Suppressed Evidence Intentionally failing to use information suspected of being relevant and significant is committing the fallacy of suppressed evidence. This fallacy usually occurs when the information counts against one’s own conclusion.
What the former federal government intentionally failed to disclose to people is that the "federal poverty level" is a weighted average.
In the federal republic that is the United States there are 1,539 separately functioning economies. The weighted average of those 1,539 separate economies is $11,490 for a single person
For those who comprehend English, that means that in some of the 1,539 separate economies the poverty level is $6,100 for a single person.
In others, it is $23,000 for a single person.
So you have a single person earning $9,000 annually which is less than the federal poverty level, but 150% higher than the local poverty level getting tax-payer dollars.
Meanwhile, another single person earns $16,000 and while that is higher than the so-called "federal poverty level" it is $3,000 below the local poverty level of $19,000
To make a long story short, the former federal government gives tax-payer money to people who don't need it, while refusing to give it to people who do need it.
Two families of four, each receiving $400/month in Food Stamps. The problem is that $400 buys....
$578.13 worth of food in Cincinnati. $210.23 worth of food in San Fransisco
....due to the differences in Cost-of Living and Purchasing Power, and both impact the local poverty level.
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Originally Posted by mohawkx
More than 20 million children in the United States live in a household that uses food stamps.
Not relevant.
It's Propaganda in the form of Scare Tactic Fallacy:
Scare Tactic If you suppose that terrorizing your opponent is giving him a reason for believing that you are correct, then you are using a scare tactic and reasoning fallaciously.
...and...
Appeal to Emotions Your reasoning contains the fallacy of appeal to emotions when someone’s appeal to you to accept their claim is accepted merely because the appeal arouses your feelings of anger, fear, grief, love, outrage, pity, pride, sexuality, sympathy, relief, and so forth.
To the extent it might be relevant, you don't know how many of those children live in a household that is truly deserving of Food Stamps.
The irony here is that if those children lived in Cincinnati, they are not deserving of Food Stamps, since the Census Bureau poverty level is lower than the "federal poverty level."
At the same, children in San Fransisco are harmed and suffer because the Census Bureau poverty level is higher than the "federal poverty level" and even those children that do qualify for Food Stamp benefits continue to be physically harmed and suffer at the hands of their own government, because they do not receive enough in Food Stamps to offset the Cost-of-Living and Purchasing Power.
Besides, we wouldn't want children to starve while being physically abused or neglected, or sodomized.
Also, you can't prove that the children get 100% of those benefits.
There are Food Stamp recipients right now in front of the Kroger store on Vine Street offering to either let you use their EBT card in exchange for cash, or will purchase your food for you, in exchange for cash.
Generally, $400 in Food Stamps has a cash value of $200, although many Food Stamp fraudsters are going for 1:1.
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Originally Posted by mohawkx
Undocumented immigrants are ineligible to receive food stamp or SNAP benefits.
Suppressed Evidence Intentionally failing to use information suspected of being relevant and significant is committing the fallacy of suppressed evidence. This fallacy usually occurs when the information counts against one’s own conclusion.
"Anchor babies" get them.
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Originally Posted by mohawkx
The food stamp program has a very low error rate. In 2010, the accuracy rate was 96.19 percent.
Misrepresentation If the misrepresentation occurs on purpose, then it is an example of lying. If the misrepresentation occurs during a debate in which there is misrepresentation of the opponent’s claim, then it would be the cause of a straw man fallacy.
The government is attempting to mislead people into believing that "error rate" equates to "fraud rate."
Error rate actually refers to persons who received benefits, when they should not have; or to over-payment of benefits; or a failure to terminate benefits in a timely manner.
Given the "Computer Age," 96% is pathetic.
How much of the Food Stamp money erroneously handed out is recovered?
What is the cost to the tax-payers of recovering erroneous payments?
If the government is spending $3 in tax-payer money to recover $1 in Food Stamp benefits, that's pretty damn stupid, but par for the course for government.
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The SNAP program accounts for just over 2 percent of the total budget of the United States.
Which budget? How is "budget" defined?
The only legitimate and real budget is the General Fund.
Since the Fascists masquerading as pseudo-Conservatives and the National Socialists aping pseudo-Liberals often dishonestly combine Social Security and Medicare with the General Fund in order to spread Propaganda & Disinformation, we must ask how the budget is defined.
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The U.S. Department of Agriculture reports that half of all new participants leave the program within nine months.
How many are back on the program within 6 months?
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I hope this puts to rest many of the posters in this thread who keep perpetrating these myths about the one government program that actually is a win/win for all concerned. Farmers, food outlets and recipients
What myths?
The biggest myth of all is that the federal government should even run the program.
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This also kinda puts me at a loss? What is the percentage of SNAP recipients who are single moms producing multiple children to get SNAP?
Why aren't those single moms living with mom and dad, or mom or dad, or brothers, sisters, grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc etc etc?
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You think that won't cost more? Who's going to cook all that food, manage the kitchen, increase capacity since more people will be coming in?
I've really only seen one comment in this thread complaining about corporate welfare many of the posters including the op are complaining about yet again "WELFARE QUEENS"
Considering they are kids do you think they would be able to drive to the store and pick out food on their own ??? Are you expecting the kids to go to the store and buy food than come home and cook it ???
Then their illegal alien parents CAN'T complain if they're picked up by the cops for being in the US illegally.
OK, I'm going to throw out my situation and what I think and feel about food stamps, then stand back and let some of you take aim.
I am on food stamps. I am also on state disability. They put the disability on my EBT card, so when I shop, I will sometimes buy things with the "cash" portion of my card. So to begin with, let's not assume that just because someone is paying with an EBT card, they're paying with food stamps! Disability and food stamps on an EBT card are quite different and unless you know which one is being used, don't make yourself look stupid and assume.
I get something under $200 every month. And here's where the rub is. If I said I bought something healthy like vegetables from the Farmer's Market (they take EBT cards and believe me, the Farmer's Market is not cheap!), I heard nothing but "Gee, I can't afford that working!". If I bought something unhealthy, like macaroni and cheese in a box, I got, "Well, no wonder she's so fat, eating that unhealthy food."
People, you can't have it both ways! If we spend money for the good expensive food, we're damned. If we spend money for the bad cheap food, we're made fun of. Make up your minds what you want people on food stamps to buy and then shut up! Because I, for one, am getting darn tired of being blasted no matter what I buy! The state made the decision that I was qualified to have food stamps, so if you don't like it, get yourself hired in a position to have something to say about it. Or just go away somewhere and don't say anything more.
Now I will really enrage you.
I have bought soda on my food stamps. I have bought steak on my food stamps. When?
Well, hamburger where I live is $4.99/lb. Just recently, there was sale on all meats. There was chicken for $1.79/lb, center cut pork loin for $2.99/lb and guess what? Petite sirloin steak for $3.99/lb. My rule is if it's cheaper than hamburger, I allow myself to buy it. So I bought it. Get over it.
Last week I had surgery. Because of my medications, I'm not allowed to take my aspirin anymore, which also contained a lot of caffeine. I also had to downgrade to a different medication for acid reflux, which really doesn't work. So I went through caffeine withdrawal, rebound headaches, acid reflux, and had symptoms of nausea, oh, heck, I just was sicker than a dog to my stomach. So I took my little EBT card out and got 7-Up and ginger ale, cans of soup, crackers, a cheap pint of sherbet (because my throat still hurt form the tube the doctors had put in) and because I needed a little caffeine to help me through the pain, a chocolate bar, which didn't do any good, by the way.
Now I don't do that all the time. And as I am getting over the rebound headaches and the caffeine withdrawal, I probably won't have to again. But for just that one time, if someone saw me buying all that stuff on an EBT card, can you imagine what they would have been thinking? And God help them if they had said anything directly to me that night on account of the pain I was in.
What I'm trying to say is, there's reasons people buy what they do. I live near Seattle. If anyone, ever, wants to contact me and go shopping with me on the day food stamps are put on my EBT card, please, you are welcome. If you want to see how I live and what I cook, that's fine with me, too. I am not ashamed of anyone seeing what I buy on food stamps.
And I do have to say one more thing. I got tired of my food stamps running out at the end of the month with a couple days to go. So I decided to do something about it. I had been buying things like pizza and frozen foods. Several months ago, I started cooking for myself and making things at home that I usually bought premade. Because of this, I am well able to manage food till the end of the month and beyond now, and that brings me to another sore point of buying with food stamps.
I eat two meals a day, and just one item per meal. A bowl of soup is a meal. A couple chicken legs is a meal. That's just how I am. And sometimes I get tired of just the basics. So if I cut back a little, I will decide to treat myself by getting something I don't normally do. So a couple months ago there was a sale on the jumbo shrimp in one store. I deliberately shorted myself at the beginning of the week so that knew I would still have enough till the end of the month, and then I went and got those shrimp. Now I know people would see me buying those on an EBT card and complaining right and left about not being able to afford it, but I say, if you really wanted it, you'd eat peanut butter sandwiches and pancakes for five days to get it. Don't complain to me about not being able to afford the fancy food because you're unwilling to do what I did.
So that's what I do and some of the reasons why I buy what I buy. I'm sure some people here will still be crazy with rage and I hope those people never have a need for food stamps. They're going to be so embarrassed if they do. And I've known more than few people change their minds when it was food stamps or nothing for them after they lost their homes and jobs. But for the rest of you, maybe you can get an idea of what someone has to go through when they're on food stamps.
People, you can't have it both ways! If we spend money for the good expensive food, we're damned. If we spend money for the bad cheap food, we're made fun of. Make up your minds what you want people on food stamps to buy and then shut up!
We want to stop having our earned money from being forcibly taken to be given to you.
We want to stop having our earned money from being forcibly taken to be given to you.
What is the alternative Kreutz? Do you wish to step over dead people on the streets that have died of starvation when they r sick? Is that what it will take for some people to realize that there r just some times people do need help? Maybe u have worked hard all ur life & don't need help....great
Everyone's situation is different & sometimes s*** just happens. I get that people get mad when they see fraud but, it to generalize & say what u did shows your lack of empathy for anyone but yourself.
1) Fairness: People are getting taxed to provide a benefit to people who then use it to buy nicer things than some of the people getting taxed budget/allow for themselves.
2) Waste: The point of SNAP (from the center and right POV) is to keep Americans fed who otherwise wouldn't have enough to eat. If beneficiaries have enough to buy luxury items with the money then clearly we're spending more than is needed to achieve that goal.
Answers 1) First it a safety net for you too when you qualify or need it, further, Uhmmm your missing the point. People using SNAP have also paid into SNAP. Gee most work far harder then an CEO but he gets to get paid to play golf and has an expensive account, while we pay taxes to give the corporation a tax break that goes into his and his share holders pockets. I think this is a far worse injustice or unfair? Don't you?
2) In my state a single person gets $180 in SNAP, thats hardly a ton of money for 30 days and three small meals a day
$45 a week to SUPPLEMENT your own money is plenty.
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Instead of whining about our "Broken" immigration laws? The only thing broken is the Government.
