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Old 01-26-2015, 10:56 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Caleb Longstreet View Post
Please, the Keystone pipeline is a godsend. I just ish they would drill in your backyard too. Sure.
If a godsend requires trampling on land owners rights and behaving like some corrupt communist government God sure isn't who I thought he was.
Why You Should Oppose the Keystone XL Pipeline
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Old 01-26-2015, 05:14 PM
 
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Just because they were whining about all the jobs being lost due to the pipeline not being built, one can't assume those were American jobs.
In order for you to have an argument to stand on, you'd have to cite all of the steel that was purchased overseas at a higher cost..

you cant, you have no point...

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Old 01-26-2015, 05:15 PM
 
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Obama was listing off all these accomplishments during the SOTU address and Repubs were pouting over the good news. Even if it's all fluff it still made them look foolish on national TV.

Equal pay for women and the GOP was silent? LOL..

I'm sure they tacked on a few things to the bill but it still makes the GOP look stupid on the surface and that's what politics are all about. This will be used against them.
it only made them look stupid to people who cant comprehend reality.
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Old 01-26-2015, 05:18 PM
 
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Re: the bold paragraph above. Great question.

We have been exporting the majority of the oil we've produced from fracking since the beginning, something I've never understood. If only there was some way to get Congress out of our lives, we'd all be better off.
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Where did you read this? We have had a ban on exporting our own oil since 1975.
I believe the ban is only on refined oil, not crude.
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Old 01-26-2015, 05:34 PM
 
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Is the US building the paying for the pipeline? Just anther obvious rethoric reason to delay progress by liberals. Does Op realize his statement supports cutting oil from all other sources which still would lead to a shortage at least equal to the 15% loss in 70's to the embargo. What now; congressional hearings on the big Oil and gas conspiracy to make gasoline so cheap. Stupid never never sleeps in American.
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Old 01-29-2015, 12:50 PM
 
Location: West Hollywood
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The Keystone XL pipeline would only create about 30 jobs, allows a foreign company to seize American land against the wishes of local residents, would increase the price of gas in America by reducing refining capacity, pumps the dirtiest oil in the world into America to pollute our air and water without the resources in place to handle the gunk that comes out of tar sands oil, would use pipeline technology that's just as prone to leaking as 50 year old pipelines we're already spending tax dollars to maintain, and would have a bigger impact on our climate than any other energy project America could undertake at this time.
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Old 01-29-2015, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Tip of the Sphere. Just the tip.
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Let's see...

The Keystone pipeline would use government force to take land from individuals whether they want to sell or not.

Create jobs overseas at the expense of American jobs.

And redistribute wealth TO the wealthy interests who have literally bought and paid for the GOP.



Sounds to me like a bill that will finally motivate them to pass something. Nothing motivates Republicans like hurting ordinary citizens in favor of corrupt billionaires.
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Old 01-29-2015, 01:03 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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The Keystone XL pipeline would only create about 30 jobs, allows a foreign company to seize American land against the wishes of local residents, would increase the price of gas in America by reducing refining capacity, pumps the dirtiest oil in the world into America to pollute our air and water without the resources in place to handle the gunk that comes out of tar sands oil, would use pipeline technology that's just as prone to leaking as 50 year old pipelines we're already spending tax dollars to maintain, and would have a bigger impact on our climate than any other energy project America could undertake at this time.
So now we are down to 30 jobs from 50 jobs.

Thousands of people will get years worth of employment from from the project, and thousands more will get work at the refineries processing the oil. Of course all of these jobs are high paying, with benefits and retirement and the democrats want to keep them from the American people.

Not to mention transporting oil via pipeline is the safest method, used in tens of thousands of miles of pipe across the USA.
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Old 01-29-2015, 01:15 PM
 
Location: CO
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I believe the ban is only on refined oil, not crude.
WRONG.

Crude exports have been banned for 40 YEARS.
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Old 01-29-2015, 01:20 PM
 
Location: West Hollywood
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So now we are down to 30 jobs from 50 jobs.
It's been ~30 since accurate numbers were given to lawmakers.

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Thousands of people will get years worth of employment from from the project, and thousands more will get work at the refineries processing the oil. Of course all of these jobs are high paying, with benefits and retirement and the democrats want to keep them from the American people.
What utter BS. A few thousand temporary construction jobs that will last 2 years and a few thousand existing refinery jobs. It's worth it for temporary jobs? Poisoning our land and jacking up the price of gas so a Canadian company can export oil to China is worth it? And cut the crap with what Democrats want. Democrats want strong union jobs, with good benefits and job security. It's Republicans that are gutting the middle class by eliminating unions and removing power from workers.

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Not to mention transporting oil via pipeline is the safest method, used in tens of thousands of miles of pipe across the USA.
We need to keep the tar sands oil out of America altogether. If it were safe then Canada would be refining and exporting it themselves, using a much shorter, cheaper pipeline with direct access to the Pacific to export overseas.
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