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Old 04-01-2015, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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We already know that Muslims can not refuse service to people with dogs or alcohol regardless of their religious beliefs.

Muslim Cab Drivers Refuse to Transport Alcohol, and Dogs - ABC News
And assuming Indiana's law does not allow this, then it's not a religious freedom law. It's a Christian privilege law, which is clearly unconstitutional and morally unfair.
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Old 04-01-2015, 12:14 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Today the Gov of Arkansas decided not to sign the bill.
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Old 04-01-2015, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Houston
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In 49 states you can still be refused service because you are ugly.
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Old 04-01-2015, 12:25 PM
 
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Last week, Governor Mike Pence of Indiana signed into law the Indiana Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA). Almost immediately, an uproar ensued, claiming that the law was discriminatory — that it provided a license for businesses to discriminate against gay and lesbian customers. Entirely lost in this kerfuffle has been the simple fact that the Indiana law is modeled on the 1993 federal law of the same name, and that counterparts have been adopted in 19 other states. Further, four federal courts of appeals and the Obama Justice Department have all taken the position that RFRA can be used as a defense in private suits involving the enforcement of laws that substantially burden free exercise of religion. Important debates over the intersection of faith and equality are impaired when they are overtaken by misguided rhetoric, rather than being informed by the history and context of how our legal system has treated this issue.

Read more at: National Review
I don't need to read any of this to know what the law means. Seeing Pence choke on his spit six times when asked by Stephanopoulos whether the law allows discrimination, is all I need to know that the law allows discrimination.
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Old 04-01-2015, 12:35 PM
 
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I'm looking forward to the convenience of going to the Muslim butcher nearby and being able to get a quality pork shoulder.
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Old 04-01-2015, 12:36 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I just hope it causes Pence and the Indiana GOP to sweat.
Why? Pence and Indiana aren't executing gays. The countries in which Apple does business and supports their products execute gays. Any wrath should be directed at Apple, which silently acquiesces to the execution of gays.
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Old 04-01-2015, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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. Entirely lost in this kerfuffle has been the simple fact that the Indiana law is modeled on the 1993 federal law of the same name, and that counterparts have been adopted in 19 other states. Further, four federal courts of appeals and the Obama Justice Department have all taken the position that RFRA can be used as a defense in private suits involving the enforcement of laws that substantially burden free exercise of religion.

Read more at: National Review

Ask yourself if it "modeled" the 1993 law, why was it even necessary. It was different and it expanded the law.

The Indiana law expanded the law to include corporations, had there been any history with corporations that drove this?

It also allows them to go to court to head off state actions regarding discrimination complaints prior to such action taking place.

So once again, what exactly is the problem in Indiana and what drove this sudden need for the law 20 years after the federal law was passed.
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Old 04-01-2015, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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I'm looking forward to the convenience of going to the Muslim butcher nearby and being able to get a quality pork shoulder.
And you can, as long as they sell pork shoulders. Maybe you should try going to taco bell and buying a TV too.

No business has to sell items that they don't offer.
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Old 04-01-2015, 12:59 PM
 
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Washington (CNN)Indiana Gov. Mike Pence is set to sign into law a measure that allows businesses to turn away gay and lesbian customers in the name of "religious freedom."

The move comes as Pence considers a bid for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination -- and just a year after Pence and socially conservative lawmakers lost their first policy battle against gay Hoosiers. In 2014 they had sought to amend Indiana's constitution to ban same-sex marriages -- but were beaten back by a highly-organized coalition of Democrats, traditionally right-leaning business organizations and fiscally focused supporters of Pence's predecessor, former GOP Gov. Mitch Daniels.

Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers - CNN.com
Where does this law allow people to arbitralily discriminate against customer simply because they are gay?

This is just political partisan garbage; think of the most obsure scenario posible, then, for political gain, just claim it is the function and purpose of the law.
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Old 04-01-2015, 01:03 PM
 
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Ask Tim Cook. He injected himself and Apple into the controversy. In doing so, Cook exposed Apple's horrendous hypocrisy of publicly condemning what amounts to no more than a retail/service choice law in Indiana but quietly acquiescing to the execution of gays in the countries in which they do business or service their products.
Because this whole issue is just a political game to these people.
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