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Iran knows that if they attacked anyone they would no longer remain a country. Iran is not run by one person making every single decision so the chances of one insane individual going off half cocked is slim to none.
Even with the U.S. acting cold to Israel right now if Iran attacked we would retaliate. Iran knows that. Iran has no incentives whatsoever to attack anyone.
B-b-b-but they're run by a crazy dictator! Seems to me we could use the "crazy" label about a number of our warmongering bureaucrats too.
Now that a deal is done I can see proliferation occurring.
What deal? All I see is an agreement to talk some more. Iran will be happy to talk until we are blue in the face.
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The Saudis will make or buy one (buy, realistically from Pakistan), the Turks will want in, the Egyptians too.
All rather messy.
Generally we have handled the Pakistanis quite well - Pakistan doesn't really oppose the US on geo-strategic issues at the macro-scale in the GME. Before the WoT where Pakistan has been two faced at times, they were largely compliant with US aims. However, if you multiply the nuclear actors by 4 in the GME region how will we keep the lid on events?
For this reason ALONE I oppose Iranian nuclear break out capacity.
Three days ago an Iranian general has expressed more annihilation of Israel by stating that its destruction is non-negotiable. Yup all rhetoric, no worry right.
There are right wing factions in both the US and Iran that would love to see the deal collapse, I try to pay more attention to the moderates that want a peaceful resolution.
Listening to generals should not be the standard either in Iran or the US.
Three days ago an Iranian general has expressed more annihilation of Israel by stating that its destruction is non-negotiable. Yup all rhetoric, no worry right.
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What a crock of **** you spout off. Israel has threatened Iran you say? Would Israel care about Iran if they were not funding, training, and supplying weapons to Hezbuallah who have launched attacks on Israel many many times?
The FACT is that no country in the world threatens to destroy another country, EXCEPT IRAN. And their ayatollahs or generals, the ones who determine their policy including the SUPREME LEADER, across the board make that threat continuously. One general said that "two well targeted nuclear strikes will wipe out all of the Zionist entity". He went on to explain that Iran need not fear a counter-strike because Iran is about a hundred times the size of Israel and has about 50 times the population, so that it could absorb a counter-strike. The fact that many Iranians would be killed is of no significant consequence to them. Remember they sent a million of their men to death in the Iraq-Iran war of the 1980's. Death in fighting infidels, in their Islamic society, is something to look forward to. It's really not death, it's "martyrdom". Going to paradise, 70 virgins and all that
The people you guys are jousting with don't give a crap about the annihilation of Israel. They simply shrug it off by saying "We're not Israel". What these people miss, incomprehensibly, is that an Iran with nukes will most likely lead to a nuclear war. And that will not only be a horror for the Middle East, but the entire world. And of course it would be another Holocaust - something that these people also don't give a crap about.
The FACT is that no country in the world threatens to destroy another country, EXCEPT IRAN. And their ayatollahs or generals, the ones who determine their policy including the SUPREME LEADER, across the board make that threat continuously. One general said that "two well targeted nuclear strikes will wipe out all of Israel". He went on to explain that Iran need not fear a counter-strike because Iran is about a hundred times the size of Israel and has about 50 times the population, so that it could absorb a counter-strike. The fact that many Iranians would be killed is of no significant consequence to them. Remember they sent a million of their men to death in the Iraq-Iran war of the 1980's. Death in fighting infidels, in their Islamic society, is something to look forward to. It's really not death, it's "martyrdom". Going to paradise, 70 virgins and all that
The people you guys are jousting with don't give a crap about the annihilation of Israel. They simply shrug it off by saying "We're not Israel". What these people miss, incomprehensibly, is that an Iran with nukes will most likely lead to a nuclear war. And that will not only be a horror for the Middle East, but the entire world. And of course it would be another Holocaust - something that these people also don't give a crap about.
The people you guys are jousting with don't give a crap about the annihilation of Israel. They simply shrug it off by saying "We're not Israel". What these people miss, incomprehensibly, is that an Iran with nukes will most likely lead to a nuclear war. And that will not only be a horror for the Middle East, but the entire world. And of course it would be another Holocaust - something that these people also don't give a crap about.
I disagree. It isn't those working to make peace who would be to blame if that happens,
but only those working against peace. The international community supports this agreement.
It will be a contract between many nations and Iran for benign nuclear power managed with
inspections. Netanyahu doesn't speak for all Israelis and certainly doesn't speak for all
American jews either. We are getting wise to the baloney and aren't going to fall for it
anymore.
Many of the comments here are focused on the threat (or according to some, lack of such) of a nuclear weapon in the hands of a radical Islamic regime towards Israel.
The Obama policy is not just endangering Israel. The Iranian regime already has ballistic missiles designed to be fitted with a nuclear warhead. The range of these missiles currently covers all of the Middle East as well as southern, eastern, and central Europe. At the current rate of development, the regime will have an ICBM in the not too distant future.
So a bomb in the hands of a jihadi, theocratic, apocalyptic regime is a lethal threat to populations well beyond Israel, including the US.
Fearmongering again! This is what Bush, Cheney and the neo-cons did that got us in Iraq. War mainly benefits the industrial complex and Israel. I say we stay the h*ll out of the Middle East.
Exactly, we can control 1 variable [state] pretty easily. But will we be able to control 4-5 such actors if proliferation occurs?
It's not our place to control the world.
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Can we pay them all?
Can we control them when their actions will impact our core interests?
1 is easily, juggling 4-5 is much harder.
I'm for cutting off Pakistan. Just because I state the obvious doesn't mean I'm for it.
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Seems to me we could use the "crazy" label about a number of our warmongering bureaucrats too.
