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Old 05-19-2015, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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That's not fair!
This "fair" bull is phoney. Nothing in this world is "fair." Life is what anyone makes it for themselves.
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Old 05-19-2015, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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You have the right idea if they would cut the defense budget by like 40% then they could pay for most of this. Over the last few yrs republicans have tried to add like 150 to 200 billion to defense Even the military says they do not need all of this it is a lot of waste
Right...cut defense. Open the door to Isis and the rest of the terrorists.

The most important responsibility for the Federal Government issued by our U.S. Constitution is the security and defense of America.

Most of the rest of the crap everyone wants for "free" is basically unconstitutional and belongs at State level.
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Old 05-19-2015, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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That is largely due to tuition increases, I don't think Obama controls that- does he? What Obama did was take loans out of the hands of private lenders who were charging above market rates to college kids for loans that were guaranteed by the government and can't be discharged in bankruptcy, how could even the most staunch conservative have an issue with that?
Government screws up everything they touch! Especially, BO. Leave it in the hands of private enterprise and competition at least keeps a better balance.
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Old 05-19-2015, 06:11 PM
 
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Right...cut defense. Open the door to Isis and the rest of the terrorists.

The most important responsibility for the Federal Government issued by our U.S. Constitution is the security and defense of America.

Most of the rest of the crap everyone wants for "free" is basically unconstitutional and belongs at State level.
We can protect our borders for far less than what we are currently spending on defense. Butting in where we don't belong (Iraq,Syria,Libya,Afghanistan) is what opened the door for Isis.
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Old 05-19-2015, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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Until recently, Germany had mandatory military service also. Should we adopt that too?
Actually, yes! The younger generations are now being raised without discipline and turned loose without parental guidance. Having them serve a mandatory term in the military would help straighten them out to face the realities of the real world plus teach them self discipline.

I have always been of the belief that when Nixon stopped the draft (I think it was Nixon) we did a large disservice to the youngsters and our country.
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Old 05-19-2015, 06:16 PM
 
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Actually, yes! The younger generations are now being raised without discipline and turned loose without parental guidance. Having them serve a mandatory term in the military would help straighten them out to face the realities of the real world plus teach them self discipline.

I have always been of the belief that when Nixon stopped the draft (I think it was Nixon) we did a large disservice to the youngsters and our country.
Only a very small percentage of kids-- no more than 5%-- ever got drafted in any year in any outside of WWII, and the wealthy were always able to avoid it.
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Old 05-19-2015, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Just put the federal government in charge of everything, "how could even the most staunch conservative have an issue with that?"

What is there that the dems would not be in favor of the feds taking over? K-12 and college education, health care, agriculture, energy production, automobile manufacturing, giving out loans, the internet, controlling our local police forces, etc...

Oh, I forgot to add, the federal government dictating to employers what a minimum wage is worth to them for any job, of anyone, with any level of skill or competence who comes in off the street.

Seriously, is there anything the likes of 0bama would not think can be solved by the federal government taking over control of, or subsidizing? Seriously, anything?

government's job is to create a framework of laws and regulations for the free market to operate within.

It's not government's job to utterly fail to properly regulate something, like student loans, and then jump in to take it over.
Well of course you would think that A) it's Obama's fault or B) we are over regulating. Perfect non-answers to just about every subject that comes up. Oh yeah, except when it comes to regulating birth control or abortion, then cons think that is a perfect job for the Government.
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Old 05-19-2015, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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We can protect our borders for far less than what we are currently spending on defense. Butting in where we don't belong (Iraq,Syria,Libya,Afghanistan) is what opened the door for Isis.
Nope...pulling out before Iraq was ready to defend themselves was what opened the door to Isis. Have you forgotten that we still have troops in Germany? It takes years for a country that was as devastated as Iraq to build up their security strength.

If we had not gone in there we would have had many, many more attacks on American soil which would have been equal to or greater than 9/11. Anyone with intelligence and foresight knows you fight the enemy on their soil...not here.
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Old 05-19-2015, 06:19 PM
 
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Government screws up everything they touch! Especially, BO. Leave it in the hands of private enterprise and competition at least keeps a better balance.
Where was the competition when private lenders were charging high interest rates for student loans which were 100% guaranteed by the Government? Why weren't you running around with your hair on fire over that demanding that they make loans function as the free market was intended, without a government guarantee.
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Old 05-19-2015, 06:25 PM
 
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Nope...pulling out before Iraq was ready to defend themselves was what opened the door to Isis. Have you forgotten that we still have troops in Germany? It takes years for a country that was as devastated as Iraq to build up their security strength.
We were told we would be in and out in a manner of months. There is no way we would have went in if the argument would have been that we would be there decades. There is also absolutely no reason for us to have troops in Germany.

We had no reason to go in, in the first place.

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If we had not gone in there we would have had many, many more attacks on American soil which would have been equal to or greater than 9/11. Anyone with intelligence and foresight knows you fight the enemy on their soil...not here.
Iraq was the enemy of our enemy (I use that word loosely). Iraq was a secular nation and no friend of Al Queda. You know this though.
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