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The misplaced thought is to think of prison as either a deterrent or punishment. Prison doesn't exist for the good of criminals, but for the good of society. It is a place to secure animals that prey on innocent people in society. We need to do away with our soft-on-crime criminal justice system that refuses to put anyone in jail until they have a rap sheet a mile long and for a meaningful time. If we lock up criminals the first time they are caught, it keeps them from preying on innocent victims. Lock up someone at 15, maybe by the time they are 25 they will be mature enough to try something other than a life of crime.
Your right about the existence of prisons.
I kind of like your idea about locking them up also. Somewhere along the way someone thought that the punishment should fit the crime. With respect to violent crime seeing the dirt bags back on the street in a year or two is not enough.
IMHO the Black "hood rat" thing WILL be gone in a few years. Why I say that the young dudes have NO idea how BAD Jim Crow was 50 years ago. Kinda like the crack wars of 30 years ago; the younger Black people say hell NO to crack, many of the Black kids born after about 2000 WILL think what their older "bros" were doing was flat stupid.
Another thing that would help is to cut off welfare for the Black females after their 1st kid. THAT would get their attention real quick like as in NO more gravy train by being breeders. Hell, that'd work with the rest of the women of other "races" scamming the system.
A number of states don't give additional aid to any children born after the parent goes on welfare and it hasn't seemed to influence the birth rate in those states, which kind of makes sense since you are only talking about $80-$90 per month per child which would hardly be a compelling reason to get pregnant. I think it might be a good idea to offer a monetary incentive to unmarried young women who agree to a progestin implant or at least an IUD. But there are enough anti birth control people out there who would never even allow a program like that to get off the ground.
The misplaced thought is to think of prison as either a deterrent or punishment. Prison doesn't exist for the good of criminals, but for the good of society. It is a place to secure animals that prey on innocent people in society. We need to do away with our soft-on-crime criminal justice system that refuses to put anyone in jail until they have a rap sheet a mile long and for a meaningful time. If we lock up criminals the first time they are caught, it keeps them from preying on innocent victims. Lock up someone at 15, maybe by the time they are 25 they will be mature enough to try something other than a life of crime.
You need to be real careful about who you lock up at 15 because I can guarantee you when they get out they will be 10 times worse than when they went in, they will be more streetwise, have better 'connections' and more than likely will be part of a gang even if they weren't before they got arrested. Dangerous people belong in prison until they are no longer a threat to society, I don't think anyone would argue that, but you can't ever put a person in prison and think they will be a better person for it. Just the fact that they were in prison will make them unemployable for about 90% of jobs & ineligible for most rentals. And I'm not sure what you mean by 'soft on crime' the United States has been putting people in prison at a record rate since the 80's..doesn't sound very soft to me.
As far as: "all the white presidents in the modern era have "sided with their own race" publically via discriminatory laws ". Our police did not make the laws; we charge them with enforcing our laws. Baltimore has a Black Mayor. Blacks apparently have some political clout - so what laws do you want to change? Or do you just want our police not to enforce current laws?
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Last time I checked, Mayor's do not have the authority to enact or change laws.
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Like they don't have any input? Here is the makeup of the Baltimore City Council: Members of the Baltimore City Council. Are you saying that White minority pulls all of the strings?
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I made myself clear, mayor's do not make or change laws state law. The only 'laws' that City Officials have any control over are local ordinances which don't usually have a big effect on law enforcement.
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Ordinances can lead to disputes that require police assistance.
By the way; I was looking at the makeup of the Maryland State Government:http://www.capc.umd.edu/rpts/2010/2010Demographics.pdf. Yes; only about 20% are Black. But they are predominantly Democrats (70% to 30%). It would be hard to lay all of the problems on the Republicans with that makeup. But, like I stated before; I don't like one side better than the other.
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So what "oppressive" and "racist" laws do you want changed?
Laws against murder?
Rape?
Armed robbery?
Looting?
Assault and Battery?
Arson?
Theft?
Vandalism?
Drug Dealing?
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I never said I wanted ANY laws changed, here- let me help you out a little since you seem very confused. THIS is what was said:
Why would you keep arguing so strenuously that laws can't be changed if you don't think they should be changed?
Is this just your way of deflecting -- or going off-topic?
You say "people don't want to be held accountable for their actions" I agree !!! Police are people, and in this situation don't want to be held accountable.
What proof do you have that the police did anything wrong? What proof did the looters and rioters have?
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Some suggest as supposedly did Marie Antoinette " Let them eat cake ". That didn't work out to well for her, in the end, as she lost her head.
She didn't say that, and there's no excuse for not knowing it by now.
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Then you state " Let them have anarchy for a few years. " That creates a temporary autonomous zone which some say should be permanent. If that is found to be the solution then look for one coming to a neighborhood near you.
Oooh, scary!
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It is puzzling to see those who don't support unions will support the concept when it involves organizations that they feel should be above the law. The same can be said of those who call for accountability of politicians yet would exempt police. Complain about special interest just don't complain about mine, they say in essence. It is the two-face double speak, of the well intended, who are uncomfortable when the solution falls outside the parameters and foundation of their political beliefs. They fallback and conform to the party line and jettison reasonable proven solutions to maintain the Status Quo.
Why not wait until you know the police did something wrong before condemning them?
Nine out of ten business fail. People dump a lot of money into them and they fail, but that doesn't stop people from trying to succeed.
Along with the same reasoning we dumped Billions in Iraq and Afghanistan and are getting the same result as Baltimore.
A lot of money and a bad plan no matter how good the intention will not guarantee success.
Some cities are paying out more than that in settlements of police mismanagement.
Why not look at what is working in other cities and adopt a well thought out approach. Governors, and mayors meet and supposedly discuss those issues or maybe they say they do and live it up for a few days on the public tab.
You would think after fifty years of pouring money into the inner city -- starting in 1965 -- the Democrats who run the inner cities would know how to do it by now. Guess not.
OK, so it is time to throw in the towel. Would you support a reservation approach ? Like we did with Native Americans in the 1800's. If they could get funding on their own could they put up a casino ? Or will you do it more like the Warsaw Ghetto of Nazi Germany ?
Perhaps the Japanese model that took place in Shanghai is more the style your after. Is the perimeter to keep them in or others out ? Help us out with some details so we see how you have thought it all through.
You would think after fifty years of pouring money into the inner city -- starting in 1965 -- the Democrats who run the inner cities would know how to do it by now. Guess not.
Well... Guess again. In some places they do. We don't expect you to do any homework. Actual research to become knowledgeable would help you to appear informed on the subject. As it is you have nothing of value to add only a minor distraction for adults that are having a discussion.
Now read this and get back to us when you have something useful to add or need more help with your education.
No. I'm not going to do your homework. Ask the person who did it for you in grade school.
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