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Old 07-17-2015, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Some immigrants come here for that and most don't. The majority come to this Country because of the ease of economic prospects. Most of them tend to stay with their own people though. It's not until you get into the 2nd and 3rd generation that full assimilation happens. And this is something that goes back to the founding of this Country. Why do you think most cities have various areas with ethnic names and shops that match? Pretty sure the original inhabitants of the various Little Italys and China Rowns in most cities were not known for their English prowess or American cultural values.
Yes. Folks are assimilating today at the same rate or faster than before. Just as Nonna may not have learned English well (because she came over as an older adult), the same for Abulita, Nai-Nai, or Obaa-chan. The kids will get into it though.

 
Old 07-17-2015, 08:10 PM
 
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Hate to break it to you but a lot of Grandparents *mine included* never learned the language. This belief that immigrants of the past did things vastly different is a lot of crap.
Speak for yourself. When my maternal grandparents came here over 90 years ago, one of the first things they did was enroll in night school. They kept attending classes until they could read, write and speak English fluently. Soon after that, they became American citizens.

Also, my grandparents not only taught my mother, aunt and uncle their native language but they also made sure to speak English to them.

Today, you find far too many from south of the border who refuse to learn English and send their anchor babies to school not knowing a word of English. To make matters even worse, the Spanish that these kids know is atrocious. Teachers will tell you these kids don't know basic things like colors. They can't tell your red from blue. Teachers will also tell you when kids come to school like that, they never fully catch up.
 
Old 07-17-2015, 08:11 PM
 
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Yeah well that's not going to happen.
Never say "never". Too; this "multicultural bit" will soon be very NON "PC" with more and more people wanting illegal aliens GONE.
 
Old 07-17-2015, 08:15 PM
 
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Yes. Folks are assimilating today at the same rate or faster than before. Just as Nonna may not have learned English well (because she came over as an older adult), the same for Abulita, Nai-Nai, or Obaa-chan. The kids will get into it though.
Sure thing. Never before have we had so many immigrants (and I use that word loosely) here both legally and illegally from mostly one ethnic group. They are colonizing not assimilating.

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Old 07-17-2015, 08:20 PM
 
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Some immigrants come here for that and most don't. The majority come to this Country because of the ease of economic prospects. Most of them tend to stay with their own people though. It's not until you get into the 2nd and 3rd generation that full assimilation happens. And this is something that goes back to the founding of this Country. Why do you think most cities have various areas with ethnic names and shops that match? Pretty sure the original inhabitants of the various Little Italys and China Rowns in most cities were not known for their English prowess or American cultural values.
Those were mostly ethnic business neighborhoods. Today, the non-assimilation is occurring in regular mainstream neighborhoods. The Europeans who came here came long ago came from several different countries speaking different languages. No so today.
 
Old 07-17-2015, 10:47 PM
 
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Never say "never". Too; this "multicultural bit" will soon be very NON "PC" with more and more people wanting illegal aliens GONE.
What does this have to do with illegal aliens?

Multiculturalism and assimilation is not mutually exclusive - in fact they compliment each other as the cultural influences get added into the overall cultural milleu.
 
Old 07-18-2015, 12:24 AM
 
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The real myth is the idea that any group came here to assimilate. None did.

Europeans HELD TIGHTLY to their language and customs for generations before fully assimilating.

Again...in 1914 at the start of WW1, there were 700 German language newspapers in this country although the apex of German immigration was in the mid 1870's.

That's about 40 years and two generations. And Germans are the largest ethnic group in this country.

So there goes the "assimilation" theory.
Is the problem really about immigrants refusing to assimilate OR is it really about White Americans refusing to allow non white immigrants to assimilate? White immigrants assimilated into White American culture because they are the same race as Whites and thus become "invisible" after the most basic adoption of White American culture. Blacks and Native Americans who have been in the US for hundreds of years have not been able to assimilate into the dominant American culture despite being in the US for hundreds of years because they are very visible and can never be invisible unlike other Whites. I personally don't think non-white Americans will ever fully assimilate into the dominant American culture because they are visibly different. This isn't just a problem in America however. For example in South Korea, despite the enormous anti-Japanese sentiment and propaganda present in the country, the Japanese are far more accepted and treated as equals than Southeast Asians/non-Asians are no matter how long they have been in the country.
 
Old 07-18-2015, 12:28 AM
 
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Unlike past immigrants that assimilated into American Culture. I would say that most of the current immigrants coming here only to exploit the country's benefits. Great example the Chattanooga gunman's father that didn't want his son Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez to participate in sports. Why because he didn't want his son to become Americanized. I know this doesnt apply to all immigrants but I would say a good majority. The danger of this in the end where do their loyalties lie.
It's been proven over and and over that assimilation of immigrants is natural progression over 2-3 generations. The vast majority of grandchildren of those who came over will be "Americanized"... whether their parents want it or not. This is statistically supported and sound.
 
Old 07-18-2015, 12:29 AM
 
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I would argue a person can be very beneficial and contribute greatly to America without becoming "Americanized".
Well, of course.
 
Old 07-18-2015, 12:40 AM
 
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Is the problem really about immigrants refusing to assimilate OR is it really about White Americans refusing to allow non white immigrants to assimilate? White immigrants assimilated into White American culture because they are the same race as Whites and thus become "invisible" after the most basic adoption of White American culture. Blacks and Native Americans who have been in the US for hundreds of years have not been able to assimilate into the dominant American culture despite being in the US for hundreds of years because they are very visible and can never be invisible unlike other Whites. I personally don't think non-white Americans will ever fully assimilate into the dominant American culture because they are visibly different.
This is hogwash. Amerindians, Asians and Eurasians can fully assimilate if they choose too. Blacks and muslims and others largely cannot and do not want to, and are encouraged not to.


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This isn't just a problem in America however. For example in South Korea, despite the enormous anti-Japanese sentiment and propaganda present in the country, the Japanese are far more accepted and treated as equals than Southeast Asians/non-Asians are no matter how long they have been in the country.
Japanese and Koreans share a closer kinship and heredity than they do to SE Asians. It's somewhat like English and German or Italian share more kinship than they do with middle easterners.
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