Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 07-21-2015, 01:27 PM
 
73,048 posts, read 62,657,702 times
Reputation: 21943

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by itsjustmeagain View Post
Because Putin doesn't want more NATO countries at his border. The Baltic states are already enough.
And Putin should be afraid of NATO because...........
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 07-21-2015, 01:31 PM
 
46,970 posts, read 26,018,521 times
Reputation: 29461
Quote:
Originally Posted by gwynedd1 View Post
What is it exactly that you are trying to say?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedis...rine_incidents
However, later evidence points towards that most intrusions were done by NATO countries, possibly in a deception operation.[1]
Totes false flag.

Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-21-2015, 01:42 PM
 
13,652 posts, read 20,788,575 times
Reputation: 7653
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA View Post
Because Russia is buzzing SAS flights with fighter jets, mucking around in Swedish waters, that sort of rot?

Sweden has an air force. They have fighter jets. What are they waiting for? Fire on the Russians. Drop some depth charges on their subs.

Sweden sat out the Cold War (not to mention WWII). They were so smug and confident about being neutral. Now that yet another loon is running Russia, they want our help?

Forget it!

How hypocritical is it that a country that constantly harangues American policy wants to receive American protection.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-21-2015, 02:08 PM
 
2,921 posts, read 1,988,717 times
Reputation: 3487
After the Soviet Union disintegrated it would have been wise for NATO to draw plans to dissolve over a period of a few years, especially for the United States. Instead it expanded and we are locked into an agreement that commits our country to defend other nations in the alliance, some of whom haven't lived up to the agreement in regards to military spending. And how many were there for us in any real significant way during the Afghanistan war? Outside of Great Britain not many of our NATO allies have the ability or willpower to help defend the United States if we are attacked, for instance by a Russia/China tag team.

Germany wants to be seen as the big super power of Europe, let them. They need to decide if they are going to be pro-U.S. or anti-U.S., because in recent years it hasn't always been clear. And Merkel has to decide whether Putin is her buddy or the danger he truly is.

Dissolving NATO while Russia is stirring things up would send a bad message, but when they finally have a new leader, and if he turns out to be less of a threat, that'll be the time to consider NATO's disbandment. Doesn't mean the U.S. has to become isolationist and withdraw from the world stage, but I do believe it's time for other countries to step up and quit relying on us to solve the world's problems - as they put their noses up in the air denigrating what we are doing. Tired of the haters, and I don't want to see one more American servicemember killed or wounded fighting battles that should be shared more evenly, if they have to be fought at all, or by us at all.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-21-2015, 02:38 PM
 
20,728 posts, read 19,377,191 times
Reputation: 8293
Quote:
Originally Posted by Juram View Post
Maybe this is an opportunity for Russia to do some soul-searching, some inwards reflections to figure out why so many of their closest neighbors ran screaming towards its biggest rival and how they can stop pissing off the few neighbors that they haven't yet completely alienated.
There is no wondering. The Soviet system failed so there is a natural distancing from its administrative centre, Moscow. The US also enjoys not being a nationalistic rival with the old hatreds of Europe.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-21-2015, 03:10 PM
 
46,970 posts, read 26,018,521 times
Reputation: 29461
Quote:
Originally Posted by OhioJB View Post
And how many were there for us in any real significant way during the Afghanistan war?
NATO immediately offered to invoke Article V after September 11, and it was the US who said "No, thanks". Which probably was the better decision, but it wasn't lack of willing.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-21-2015, 03:12 PM
 
46,970 posts, read 26,018,521 times
Reputation: 29461
Quote:
Originally Posted by gwynedd1 View Post
There is no wondering. The Soviet system failed so there is a natural distancing from its administrative centre, Moscow.
That was 20 years ago. When the Poles welcome German troops with open arms, it may be time for Russia to do some soul-searching.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-21-2015, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Texas
37,949 posts, read 17,882,153 times
Reputation: 10371
Quote:
Originally Posted by Packard fan View Post
The Russian ambassador to Sweden has claimed that Moscow would take "countermeasures" should Sweden join the military alliance.

Viktor Tatarinstev made the threat during an interview with Swedish newspaper Dagens Nyheter. He said that there would be "consequences" if Sweden became the latest nation to join NATO, writes Zachary Davis Boren for The Independent.

Russia Threatens War If Sweden Joins NATO

Russia: do all of us a favor please and, give it a rest. Sheesh! Your country ain't doing real well in 2015.
sigh....War?
from your own link

Tatarinstev claimed that "Sweden is not a target for our armed troops," despite what he called an "aggressive propaganda campaign" in the Swedish media.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-21-2015, 03:40 PM
 
28,681 posts, read 18,811,357 times
Reputation: 30998
Quote:
Originally Posted by MTQ3000 View Post
Times are different. Back then there wasn't a concept of Mutually Assured Destruction, because only the US had nuke.

No one has used a nuclear weapon in the last 70 years. 70 years! Because of MAD, using nuclear weapon can mean the end of your own nation, and it has deterred the leaders of every nation (even crazy ones).

So, while it is correct to say that US and Russia are willing and capable of using a nuke, they would do absolutely everything to avoid it. It's really scary when you consider radar and communication equipment malfunction possibilities, like the time when the Russians thought (incorrectly) that the US launched rockets.

Mick
That was actually a double-issue and much scarier than you think. Read up on exercise ABLE ARCHER 83.

Although the Wikipedia article is pretty good for what it contains, what it doesn't say is what was going on in the Strategic Air Command underground Combat Operation Staff at the time. The Soviets had actually militarily reacted--flushing their SSBNs out of their fleet ports, opening silo doors, et cetera. On the SACOS we had to operate under the presumption that the Soviets would not be calmed down and it was going to go all the way. For four days we were preparing for real nuclear war as furiously as possible.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-21-2015, 03:44 PM
 
28,681 posts, read 18,811,357 times
Reputation: 30998
Quote:
Originally Posted by Juram View Post
Maybe this is an opportunity for Russia to do some soul-searching, some inwards reflections to figure out why so many of their closest neighbors ran screaming towards its biggest rival and how they can stop pissing off the few neighbors that they haven't yet completely alienated.
Requires a soul.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:41 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top