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Old 07-31-2015, 12:18 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Mathguy View Post
Um, they used suicide padded stats to try to create a lie.
It's more than that, they are adjusting the data for other factors like poverty, crime, education, etc.....LOL

I haven't looked but if the are using homicides that would include any gun related death caused by another human; murder, justifiable, accidental and police shootings.

 
Old 07-31-2015, 11:25 PM
 
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I don't get the resistance to acknowledging: gun ownership is a right but comes with a known risk to oneself and family that other households do not have. Proceed with caution.
Having steps in your house is a known risk, having a pool in your backyard is known risk, driving a quad like madman is a known risk but so much fun....

To answer my own question previously about whether it was attempts or success, it's success.

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https://www.mentalhelp.net/blogs/guns-and-suicide/

The rate of successful suicide completions is far less for people who use other methods than using a gun. For example, 75% of all suicide attempts are by the use of drugs. These people are found alive 97% of the time. Those who succeed in using drugs to attempt suicide are successful only 3% of the time. By contrast, more than 90% of all suicide attempts by use of firearms are successful.
 
Old 08-01-2015, 12:53 AM
 
Location: O.C.
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This list is an absolute joke! Montana 5th worst state for gun violence? LOL! There were 23 murders in all of Montana last year. There have been 216 the first half of this year alone in Chicago! 45 homicides in July alone in Baltimore. Epic fail of a thread
 
Old 08-01-2015, 01:50 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Anyone who uses the term "gun violence" is a moron. Anyone who responds in support of him, is a moron. And any thread started by him is a waste of everyone's time.


Talking about "gun violence" makes as much sense as talking about hammer violence, or baseball-bat violence. The term is almost completely useless, and says nothing about the overall level of violence, or the relative level of safety. It is a political term, used by people with an agenda, or by the morons who are too stupid or too emotionally compromised to realize what they are reading.


One last point, the term "gun violence" includes suicides. In fact, about 2/3rds of all of this made-up term "gun violence", is from suicide. Less than a third of all "gun violence" is from what most people would associate as "actual violence". The statistic is less than worthless. Please educate yourselves before posting any garbage written by the Huffington Post.

Thanks.
 
Old 08-01-2015, 03:08 AM
 
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This list is an absolute joke! Montana 5th worst state for gun violence? LOL! There were 23 murders in all of Montana last year. There have been 216 the first half of this year alone in Chicago! 45 homicides in July alone in Baltimore. Epic fail of a thread
Just to add Montana has one the lowest murder rates from firearms and one the highest rates of gun ownership.

Elisabeth Fosslien's Gun Charts - Business Insider


 
Old 08-01-2015, 03:13 AM
 
Location: My little patch of Earth
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Nope! The majority, if not all of them, are red states.
I hope the OP realizes the 'statistics' are skewed to reflect even a gun fired in self defense is considered 'gun violence' by the 'statisticians'.
 
Old 08-01-2015, 03:16 AM
 
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I hope the OP realizes the 'statistics' are skewed to reflect even a gun fired in self defense is considered 'gun violence' by the 'statisticians'.
As I already noted it goes beyond that, they are adjusting the rates for things like crime. LOL
 
Old 08-01-2015, 08:41 PM
 
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Oh lord, I didn't even dig far enough to see they were "adjusting" the numbers.

Wow. But oh wait, I went back and saw whom the OP was......nothing shocking there.
 
Old 08-01-2015, 08:42 PM
 
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Are these also the states with the most guns? Sacre bleu, who would have thought??
Well, the OP didn't....and you didn't for starters.
 
Old 08-01-2015, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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How is that a victory for you? We know from research that people are more likely to kill themselves when there is easy access to a gun. I'm not sure I'd be bragging about that as a feature of gun ownership.
How do you explain that the suicide rate in Japan is about 30% higher than in the US? Japan has gun control such that its Olympic athletes in the shooting sports have go abroad to practice.
Japanese Biathletes Bite the Bullet - WSJ

Or Israel, where pedestrians carry full-auto Uzis slung across their backs and have a suicide rate lest than half of that in the US?
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