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He shouldn't have run? Really? So you think anyone would listen to him scream as our gov tortures him? Nobody would have heard his story or saw what the gov was doing if he was here in confinement. Ask Chelsea Manning about that.
The point is to intimidate the press and civilians into compliance and being to timid to expose corruption. The confined NEVER get to dictate the narrative.
If every American Kid wanted to be like Snowden this country would be fuc@ed. The special bus people think of him as some sort of hero who exposed the ever intrusive and dangerous power of the federal guv'mt, but the reality is that he is an attention wh@re who empowered our enemies. He should come home and be convicted of espionage, and spend at least some of his naive life in a federal prison.
But, he's OK - living the dream in... Russia, or China
Americans have been spied on since the American communist spies gave the Soviet Union the secret of the atomic bomb in 1948.
Every country has its traitors and fifth columnists.
Add terrorism, and the outcome is predictable.
National security must be balanced against personal privacy and freedom.
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That's what Hitler said.
So what?
Does that mean it's not true?
What sane country would NOT defend itself against its enemies and against traitors?
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A "few" in Washington, can not decide what freedoms all Americans must surrender
Yes, they can.
They are sworn to defend the Constitution.
You can't do that without defending the nation against hostile foreign powers and against traitors and terrorists.
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my opinion is snowden is a traitor , he violated his security clearance , he violated the trust in him, he risked the lives of patriots who are trying to keep this country safe...
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Your opinion of Snowden is same as asking a "Waffen SS Member" his opinion of Hitler.
So according to you, America is the same as Nazi Germany?
Just because it defends itself against hostile foreign countries and against traitors and terrorists?
Interesting...
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Its invalid in the scheme of things.
No, it isn't.
Your ridiculous Nazi comparisons are what is invalid.
Why don't we punish some of the head people who also violated the law, instead of letting them get away with it while they get to say Snowden should be imprisoned.
Why don't we punish some of the head people who also violated the law, instead of letting them get away with it while they get to say Snowden should be imprisoned.
I agree.
We should punish all violations of the law.
So where is Obama's Justice Department?
They're the ones who are in a position to prosecute.
What good is a Constitution if the Government has the right to exceed its power by claiming its defending the right to limit its power?
Huh?
How does that answer my point that a constitution isn't worth the paper its written on if your country is defeated by a foreign power?
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Yes, they where asked to "ration" but they didn't put an MP in every house to make sure you did what they wanted.
That's because they didn't have to police the American people to get them to cooperate.
Instead of being the spoiled brats so many Americans (mostly liberals and leftists) are today, Americans at the time realized what was at stake and cooperated in the defense of their own country.
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Yes, there are times when National Security Trumps personal freedom, but that's not the case 24-7 by any means.
Yes, it is the case 24/7.
In peacetime, we can be more liberal, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't also be on our guard.
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Gathering up people based on race or religion is never right in any situation. That's Nazi ideology.
We interned Japanese, German and Italian-Americans because of their nationality and possible loyalty to their homelands, not because of their race or religion.
Although, I will say that we SHOULD intern and expel all Muslims in this country because their religion calls for the killing or subjugation of infidels.
Saying that is not being a Nazi.
It's defending oneself if one happens not to be a Muslim.
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One has to be pretty arrogant to assume Americans were the only ones with enough sense to build an A-Bomb
We built it.
Nobody else did.
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...especially when it was German Minds that built it with the knowledge they already had in Germany.
Not true.
Oppenheimer, Fermi, Szilard and other key figures were not Germans.
Learn your history.
The Germans wanted to build the bomb and failed.
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I would bet my life that all the specs and info to build a bomb existed on paper there also
Wrong.
If they had had that information, then they would have built the bomb first.
They didn't.
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That's so funny. You believe all that Government Gibberish? Some folks are soooo easy, its like shooting fish in a barrel. They will believe anything they are told.
First they denied spying. Then they said they did spy, but not on us. Then they said yes, they did spy on us, but only kept phone numbers. Then they disciplined employees for listening in on spouses or girl and boy friends conversations. They lied about everything, but chose you, to tell the real "truth" too, right?
ROTFLMAO
So if someone in this country -- say, one of the Tsarnaev Brothers -- was communicating with terrorists overseas, and planning to bomb -- oh, now what would he bomb, ok, maybe the Boston Marathon -- and the NSA was keeping track of all phone calls and emails between countries known to harbor terrorists and U.S. citizens (or legal residents who were not yet full citizens) -- you would consider that unacceptable?
If that's what you think, you are naive.
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