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Those high rates have been going on before the ACA. A matter of fact, before my boss died, leaving us without coverage/contributor/COBRA our rates where over $800 in premiums per month, just for two, and that was before the ACA. If there was a single payer, where the worker and the employer contribute as a tax, the overhead and the costs would drop like a rock and still come in lower than what many pay into the for-profit middleman, multilayered mess of a cluster funk we have today.
Those prices still exist today, post ACA for many, especially with the high deductibles taken into count.
and a single payer wouldnt cut overhead, the whole notion is just laughable.
I've been to mexico, I couldnt get medical treatment without paying cash in advance, have actually spent months there, with my gf who suffered a huge illness, where we had to fly into Dallas for her to get treatment.
try again
What you believe is immaterial, but I note from your previous paragraph the discussion about crime and corruption, but somehow think that wouldnt happen if we followed the same steps... Ridiculous
I live here, so I'm going to take my own experience over the anecdote of someone who clearly doesn't consider UHC to be a worthwhile goal, nor gives much thought to the poor. And as a modern day Republican, I also doubt you have any favorable opinions on Latinos.
So... why are Dems not introducing and passing bills/laws to implement a 20-25% VAT tax on everyone, and taxing the middle class at the highest marginal rate?
Because socialism is a 4-letter word in America (even though, technically, it already exists with some things there). Besides, I am not necessarily arguing that putting the burden on the middle class is the best way to go, I am just suggesting that the US is hardly the shining star on the top of the mountain.
I live here, so I'm going to take my own experience over the anecdote of someone who clearly doesn't consider UHC to be a worthwhile goal, nor gives much thought to the poor. And as a modern day Republican, I also doubt you have any favorable opinions on Latinos.
Thats right you live THERE, and dont have to live under ACA. You also woudlnt provide an address to send a bill to so you can put your money where your mouth is an "pay more" because of the ramifications of ACA..
But you actually think you're proving a point when all you've done is shown how you dont even want to live under the policies you are advocating for...
I don't care what you posted. Again, I asked you earlier whether you ever had to use high risk insurance in your state. Apparently never. I have in my state, and those figures I stated were correct at that time. So who has more credibility, you or someone who been there, done that?
Because socialism is a 4-letter word in America (even though, technically, it already exists with some things there). Besides, I am not necessarily arguing that putting the burden on the middle class is the best way to go, I am just suggesting that the US is hardly the shining star on the top of the mountain.
And neither is Mexico the rule model you decided to run to, the place that shows no compassion to offer treatment for foreigners, but somehow, we do here without them paying for it..
When you going to cut the check to pay for them jbcmh81?
I don't care what you posted. Again, I asked you earlier whether you ever had to use high risk insurance in your state. Apparently never. I have in my state, and those figures I stated were correct at that time. So who has more credibility, you or someone who been there, done that?
And as I posted, the high risk pool was hardly justification for passing ACA.
Thats right you live THERE, and dont have to live under ACA. You also woudlnt provide an address to send a bill to so you can put your money where your mouth is an "pay more" because of the ramifications of ACA..
But you actually think you're proving a point when all you've done is shown how you dont even want to live under the policies you are advocating for...
checkmate
I do live under a UHC system, though, which is not even close to what the ACA actually is, which is why the complaining about subsidizing others is so silly. I pay higher rates on some things that ultimately helps to subsidize health care for all. I am doing my part in the country that I currently live, so I am putting my money where my mouth is. Why would I pay for your healthcare? Something tells me you're doing just fine and aren't one of those people the ACA was ever intended for.
I do live under a UHC system, though, which is not even close to what the ACA actually is, which is why the complaining about subsidizing others is so silly. I pay higher rates on some things that ultimately helps to subsidize health care for all. I am doing my part in the country that I currently live, so I am putting my money where my mouth is. Why would I pay for your healthcare?
Mexico doesnt pay for tens of millions of illegals who get treatment without paying for them...
No one wants to run there except criminals.
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Originally Posted by jbcmh81
Something tells me you're doing just fine and aren't one of those people the ACA was ever intended for.
I actually went from paying for insurance, to now getting it for free under ACA, so I know first hand that my costs are being passed onto others to pay, thereby increasing their cost and overall, with ten million others making the same choice, many would be forced to choose high deductibles as a result. Ignoring this fact, doesnt make it not true.
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