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And neither is Mexico the rule model you decided to run to, the place that shows no compassion to offer treatment for foreigners, but somehow, we do here without them paying for it..
When you going to cut the check to pay for them jbcmh81?
I never claimed Mexico was a "rule" model overall, I just said it managed to do something, despite all of its problems, that the US has so far been completely unable to achieve. And if you don't like that example, there are plenty of other nations that have managed to do it as well.
I know plenty of foreigners here, and I don't know any who have had any real issues with the system here. That is not to say that it is perfect, because a perfect system doesn't exist, and I have no doubt that there have been bad experiences. But I would take this system any day over the US.
I never claimed Mexico was a "rule" model overall, I just said it managed to do something, despite all of its problems, that the US has so far been completely unable to achieve. And if you don't like that example, there are plenty of other nations that have managed to do it as well.
I know plenty of foreigners here, and I don't know any who have had any real issues with the system here. That is not to say that it is perfect, because a perfect system doesn't exist, and I have no doubt that there have been bad experiences. But I would take this system any day over the US.
All of those other nations have a recessive tax structure that we dont follow. The whole idea that the poor would suddenly start to pay taxes so they can have UHC is ridiculous and unworkable since everytime someone suggests the segment of society who uses the services pay for them, the left whine like crying little babies, ever things like $6 a month birth control costs..
Those high rates have been going on before the ACA. A matter of fact, before my boss died, leaving us without coverage/contributor/COBRA our rates where over $800 in premiums per month, just for two, and that was before the ACA.
The problem with Obamacare isn't just high premiums, it's the high deductibles on top of high premiums that are keeping people from getting needed medical care. There are plenty of mainstream media articles saying the exact same thing.
If there was a single payer, where the worker and the employer contribute as a tax, the overhead and the costs would drop like a rock and still come in lower than what many pay into the for-profit middleman, multilayered mess of a cluster funk we have today.
They do that in Scandinavia and Europe. And it's funded via a 20-25% VAT tax that everyone pays, plus taxing the middle class and not just the high income earners at the highest marginal income tax rate. I've already posted the links. Are you on board with paying that much extra in tax for single payer healthcare? Serious question.
Mexico doesnt pay for tens of millions of illegals who get treatment without paying for them...
No one wants to run there except criminals.
I actually went from paying for insurance, to now getting it for free under ACA, so I know first hand that my costs are being passed onto others to pay, thereby increasing their cost and overall, with ten million others making the same choice, many would be forced to choose high deductibles as a result. Ignoring this fact, doesnt make it not true.
Anti-immigrant talking point... nailed it!
Funny, I don't know any foreigners here running from the law. I'm pretty sure I don't have any warrants for my arrest. I did not know the "affluenza" guy. I'm sure you can provide some kind of link that gives figures on the foreign population of Mexico that has a criminal record?
So wait, you're getting FREE coverage under the ACA and have the tone deaf nerve to complain about how people are getting insurance perhaps in part through other people paying higher fees? So you are personally benefiting remarkably well from the program, but would rather see it dismantled than amended/fixed. Incredible.
Because socialism is a 4-letter word in America (even though, technically, it already exists with some things there).
Not according to all you lefties who clamor for it daily. You elected Obama, why can't you move the U.S. to a regressive taxing more socialist country like Europe and Scandinavia?
I'm guessing it's because many of you want the benefits without having to pay the costs.
And as I posted, the high risk pool was hardly justification for passing ACA.
I'll ask you this, did the delivery of health care in the country need fixing? If you say no than what is there to talk about? If yes, than what would you have done other than move a few into welfare, in which I disagree because we all know those who have absolutely nothing only qualify. Also on that note, for many before the ACA that is exactly what would happen anyway. Get sick, lose job, lose coverage, lose assets, go completely broke, collect welfare...........However, I do agree the ACA sucks. In time it will fail for the same reason the old system failed, because it is the same old system on steroids.
All of those other nations have a recessive tax structure that we dont follow. The whole idea that the poor would suddenly start to pay taxes so they can have UHC is ridiculous and unworkable since everytime someone suggests the segment of society who uses the services pay for them, the left whine like crying little babies, ever things like $6 a month birth control costs..
The poor don't pay taxes? I bet they even have refrigerators! Leeches!
The problem is that Republicans want most of the burden to be on the poor and middle class, the people least likely to be able to handle that. Again, I am not saying that the tax structure in some of these places is the way to go, but you're selling the idea that America is so completely dumb that it is unable to figure out how to create a working health care system that doesn't screw over the lower and middle classes. Nonsense.
Funny, I don't know any foreigners here running from the law. I'm pretty sure I don't have any warrants for my arrest. I did not know the "affluenza" guy. I'm sure you can provide some kind of link that gives figures on the foreign population of Mexico that has a criminal record?
You havent said how we are supposed to pay for these people..
I'm waiting..
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Originally Posted by jbcmh81
So wait, you're getting FREE coverage under the ACA and have the tone deaf nerve to complain about how people are getting insurance perhaps in part through other people paying higher fees? So you are personally benefiting remarkably well from the program, but would rather see it dismantled than amended/fixed. Incredible.
I'm listing for you the failures in ACA, and why its IMPOSSIBLE to do what they promised, using first hand experience.
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So you are personally benefiting remarkably well from the program, but would rather see it dismantled than amended/fixed. Incredible.
