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Which all happened naturally, when buffaloes roamed and you didn't answer the question.
The government should be paying the ranchers, to do what the herds of Buffalo use to do naturally.
Why were the herds of buffalo put into near extinction?
The herds of buffalo out numbered the livestock there today, by the millions.
You have seen way too many stock yards!
The buffalo never roamed in Nevada! The temps are too hot for them.
There you go again, using a 3 foot wide brush when you should be using one better suited for details.
Be careful who you call a pea brain, Bent….
Ya! Why with government and their grand ideas for preservation and restoration and all..... Because it isn't about preservation and restoration at all. It is about power and the people no longer have it. Show me the money!
If you actually raise livestock why would you make claim that we should pay ranchers to graze their cattle on BLM land in Nevada?
"In some states like Nevada, it may require 250 acres or more to support one cow for a single year. Meanwhile, in a place with a relatively moist and warm environment, such as Mississippi or Missouri, a rancher can sustain a cow year-round on a single acre. Western ranchers can compete with livestock operators in higher-rainfall regions only because western operators have had almost unlimited access to free or cheap forage.
Because of aridity, western livestock operations are nearly all dependent on irrigated pasture and hay production. Such irrigation results in the dewatering of rivers and the pumping of groundwater away from natural springs and seeps. The livestock industry's thirst for water also requires the construction of storage reservoirs that fragment river systems and change water flow regimes.
In moist landscapes, plants can recover their reserves after grazing if given a rest of a few months. In the arid West, rest in the middle of a drought is not granting any recovery. To make matters worse, during drought periods ranchers must graze even more acreage to make up for the land's lower productivity. It is a situation that nearly guarantees a cycle of land degeneration.
Aridity also affects how livestock use the land. Cattle evolved in the moist woodlands of Eurasia. As a result of their natural tendency to congregate near water sources and dense vegetation-in the West, primarily found in streamside areas and around seeps and springs-cattle do an inordinate amount of damage by trampling vegetation and soils, stripping plant material, breaking down stream banks with their hooves, and fouling water with their wastes."
No, we should not pay ranchers to graze cattle on public land, we should ban it altogether or charge what the actual market value of grazing which is estimated to be $16-$20 AUM rather than the $1.35-$1.50 they currently pay
""Why with government and their grand ideas for preservation and restoration and all.....""
That was typed out sarcasm.
You'd a thunk they would have got right on that.
Because it isn't about preservation and restoration at all. It is about power and the people no longer have it.
It is all about ""Show me the money!""
The little cattle that do free roam during the spring, are no comparison to the numbers that grazed it naturally.
CLUE: I have 6 Bison on my property in Gonzales. 2 of which were born last June.
Ever eaten Beefallo?
Sorry, I completely missed it!
I don't eat red meat myself.
Grasslands need grazers, it's all in the management. Just seeing bison on someone's land makes me grin - they're *still* here, in spite of everything.
If you actually raise livestock why would you make claim that we should pay ranchers to graze their cattle on BLM land in Nevada?
"In some states like Nevada, it may require 250 acres or more to support one cow for a single year. Meanwhile, in a place with a relatively moist and warm environment, such as Mississippi or Missouri, a rancher can sustain a cow year-round on a single acre. Western ranchers can compete with livestock operators in higher-rainfall regions only because western operators have had almost unlimited access to free or cheap forage.
Because of aridity, western livestock operations are nearly all dependent on irrigated pasture and hay production. Such irrigation results in the dewatering of rivers and the pumping of groundwater away from natural springs and seeps. The livestock industry's thirst for water also requires the construction of storage reservoirs that fragment river systems and change water flow regimes.
In moist landscapes, plants can recover their reserves after grazing if given a rest of a few months. In the arid West, rest in the middle of a drought is not granting any recovery. To make matters worse, during drought periods ranchers must graze even more acreage to make up for the land's lower productivity. It is a situation that nearly guarantees a cycle of land degeneration.
Aridity also affects how livestock use the land. Cattle evolved in the moist woodlands of Eurasia. As a result of their natural tendency to congregate near water sources and dense vegetation-in the West, primarily found in streamside areas and around seeps and springs-cattle do an inordinate amount of damage by trampling vegetation and soils, stripping plant material, breaking down stream banks with their hooves, and fouling water with their wastes."
No, we should not pay ranchers to graze cattle on public land, we should ban it altogether or charge what the actual market value of grazing which is estimated to be $16-$20 AUM rather than the $1.35-$1.50 they currently pay
Less livestock graze that land now and in the past, than did the great 500 million plus buffalo herds.
Oh yes they did. and all up through Utah.
They were called the Henry Mountain Herd.
Too Hot? What about the Mexican herds along the Rio Grande Valley?
The Henry Mountains are over 400 miles north of Las Vegas. The terrain in that area of Utah is over 1,000 feet higher. Buffalo never ranged into Nevada past the N.E. boundary of the Ruby mountains. The Rubies lie closer to the Idaho border than the rest of Nevada, and the folks who live there shop in Twin Falls, Idaho.
The Mexican herd are all American transplants.
Once the Great Plains were fenced in, all that changed forever. We are never going to ever see the herds of millions again.
The Bundys never had anything to do with buffalo anyway. All this stuff you posted was a stupid attempt at making a straw man argument.
This topic is about the Bundy Bunch's takeover of the Malheur Bird Refuge. In Oregon. No buffalo range there, and the incident had nothing at all to do with buffalo!
Less livestock graze that land now and in the past, than did the great 500 million plus buffalo herds.
OMG there were no Buffalo native to Nevada and there is no evidence that they migrated to Nevada. The largest mammals indigenous to Nevada are mountain lion, antelope, mule deer and a few varieties of sheep
What's with all the public defenders for this group of misfits, don't they have a bank account, how about raising some funds from all their supporters or did they disappear?
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Also Friday, four Idaho residents charged in connection with the Nevada standoff were appointed public defenders during their first federal court appearances.
If convicted, the Idaho Statesman reports, Eric James Parker, Steve Arthur Stewart, O. Scott Drexler and Todd Engle could face life sentences and the forfeiture of approximately $3 million in property, plus cattle and firearms.
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