Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
The government should be paying the ranchers, to do what the herds of Buffalo use to do naturally. Think about that for one little second, in those pea brains. Why were the herds of buffalo put into near extinction?
I put my little pea brain to work and researched your claim, here's what I found:
Livestock are the principal cause of soil erosion and stream degradation.
(Jones 2000; Belsky et al, 1999)
Considerable harm to wildlife results from the pervasive competition for
forage and removal of cover by livestock (Fleischner 1994)
Herbicides are the main tool used to control weeds that are spread by
livestock operations. Many noxious weeds are spread by livestock operations.
(Belsky and Gelbard 2000, Reisner, 2013
Grazing is often the land use most damaging to soils and vegetation,
causing widespread soil erosion and infestations of grasslands with
weeds, shrubs and conifers.(Belsky and Blumenthal 1995, Reisner
2013)
Grazing is the principle cause of the growth of highly flammable
thickets in western ponderosa pine forests, and for invasion of
rangelands by pinion, juniper and other woody shrubs. Wildland fire
management includes thinning of thickest and prescribed fires to reduce
fuel loads. (Belsky and Blumenthal 1995)
I put my little pea brain to work and researched your claim, here's what I found:
Livestock are the principal cause of soil erosion and stream degradation.
(Jones 2000; Belsky et al, 1999)
Considerable harm to wildlife results from the pervasive competition for
forage and removal of cover by livestock (Fleischner 1994)
Herbicides are the main tool used to control weeds that are spread by
livestock operations. Many noxious weeds are spread by livestock operations.
(Belsky and Gelbard 2000, Reisner, 2013
Grazing is often the land use most damaging to soils and vegetation,
causing widespread soil erosion and infestations of grasslands with
weeds, shrubs and conifers.(Belsky and Blumenthal 1995, Reisner
2013)
Grazing is the principle cause of the growth of highly flammable
thickets in western ponderosa pine forests, and for invasion of
rangelands by pinion, juniper and other woody shrubs. Wildland fire
management includes thinning of thickest and prescribed fires to reduce
fuel loads. (Belsky and Blumenthal 1995)
Which all happened naturally, when buffaloes roamed and you didn't answer the question.
The government should be paying the ranchers, to do what the herds of Buffalo use to do naturally.
Why were the herds of buffalo put into near extinction?
The herds of buffalo out numbered the livestock there today, by the millions.
But the Bundys of the world would have to give up their "independent" rancher fantasies, and that's not happening any time soon. Cattle "ranching" is only feasible in the arid west because government keeps the price of management low.
Ya! Why with government and their grand ideas for preservation and restoration and all.....
Because it isn't about preservation and restoration at all. It is about power and the people no longer have it.
Show me the money!
Oooh, touched a nerve, didn't I?
How's this, Bentbow - we know what the grasslands looked like before the bison herds were destroyed to make room for cows. I will gladly subsidize any and all ranchers whose grazing regimes result in the return of those grasslands. I would *strongly* prefer that it would be done with bison, but reality being what it is, cows or wildebeest would do. Just as long as the native grass species grow tall again, the creeks and springs run, and the aquifers begin to recharge.
I suspect these efforts require too much imagination and thought for the likes of the Bundys, even though they have/had all the tools they needed to try. They'd rather wave guns around and get their vanilla creamer for free.
How's this, Bentbow - we know what the grasslands looked like before the bison herds were destroyed to make room for cows. I will gladly subsidize any and all ranchers whose grazing regimes result in the return of those grasslands. I would *strongly* prefer that it would be done with bison, but reality being what it is, cows or wildebeest would do. Just as long as the native grass species grow tall again, the creeks and springs run, and the aquifers begin to recharge.
I suspect these efforts require too much imagination and thought for the likes of the Bundys, even though they have/had all the tools they needed to try. They'd rather wave guns around and get their vanilla creamer for free.
A nerve?
I agreed with you 100%.
""Why with government and their grand ideas for preservation and restoration and all.....""
That was typed out sarcasm.
You'd a thunk they would have got right on that.
Because it isn't about preservation and restoration at all. It is about power and the people no longer have it.
It is all about ""Show me the money!""
The little cattle that do free roam during the spring, are no comparison to the numbers that grazed it naturally.
CLUE: I have 6 Bison on my property in Gonzales. 2 of which were born last June.
Ever eaten Beefallo?
The government should be paying the ranchers, to do what the herds of Buffalo use to do naturally.
Think about that for one little second, in those pea brains.
Why were the herds of buffalo put into near extinction?
Overgrazing, whether caused by domestic cattle or domestic bison, is not a good thing.
Historically, wild bison did not overgraze:
Quote:
Plains Bison herds moved continuously to avoid overgrazing and to reach seasonally favorable terrain. Moving herds created trails that became early passageways for humans crossing the prairies.
Though greed, ignorance, technology, and stupidity all certainly played a part in the destruction of the buffalo, the cause of their near-demise was a relentless, swirling combination of economic, environmental, and cultural factors that resulted from the meeting of two societies: that of the Plains Indians, and that of European explorers and, later, American settlers.
CLUE: I have 6 Bison on my property in Gonzales. 2 of which were born last June.
Very cool.... Denver had their annual auction on Friday. Notable mainly because:
Quote:
Denver's bison descended from the last wild herd left in the U.S.
Denver acquired its initial herd from Yellowstone National Park.
The bison arrived at Genesee Bison Ranch in 1914.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.