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Segregation. The left has lots of explaining to do for that. Low-income housing that isolates and ostracizes and segregates minorities. Your research will show a disproportional effect on poor people, who are disproportionately black, which still is not racism.
I know you're trying, but some will illogically and irrationally cling to their 'it's because of racism' canard, no matter what. It's due to their lack of critical thinking skills.
Wow, what institute in America encourages students not to think critically and learn concepts and ideas by rote? Oh yeah, the public education system.
If you want to fix the issue with black America, then it seems blacks should have the options to opt out of all social services. Public education sucks, and teach a victim mentality. Fine, blacks shouldn't have to pay their taxes to it, and they should privatize all schooling for black Americans. Also seems blacks also don't need the police either. They should withdraw all of their tax money, and only have private policing in their neighborhoods.
Might be helpful to commit fewer crimes. Just sayin'...
Where there are drugs there are crimes. If black males are convicted more, it's not because their commiting more crimes. It's because there are a lot more police in black areas than white areas. I can tell you, I have lived in a majority white city. Crime and drugs do not go away magically. The only thing is that there aren't police saturated in every part of the city. Now imagine if there were half of the police in these white areas as there are in black areas? You would see whites getting arrested at a similar rate, or close to a similar rate.
White people do drugs too. Probably even more than black people. Over policing in Black Communities remains a huge issue. In my opinion black people don't really need police. If you took all police off the streets in black neighborhoods, the crime would probably go away completely. I say this as a Libertarian who has though very deeply about this topic.
Wow, what institute in America encourages students not to think critically and learn concepts and ideas by rote? Oh yeah, the public education system.
If you want to fix the issue with black America, then it seems blacks should have the options to opt out of all social services. Public education sucks, and teach a victim mentality.
Interesting point. Republicans have tried to address this problem by supporting school vouchers. The money spent per student anyway (and it's much higher in the inner cities than elsewhere) follows the student to a school that would better meet the student's educational needs.
Interestingly, 2/3 of adult Blacks and Hispanics support school vouchers, as well...
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"Pro-voucher voters among racial minorities overwhelmingly support Barack Obama, but they are baffled by the Democratic nominee's opposition to vouchers. They also say they are frustrated that Democratic leaders appear to be more concerned about keeping the peace with teachers unions --which adamantly oppose vouchers-- than about finding alternatives that could advance desperately needed education reforms for minority students.
...Public opinion polls also show solid support for school vouchers among minority parents. Sixty-five percent of adult African-Americans and 63 percent of adult Hispanics favor the use of vouchers, according to a national survey conducted earlier this year under the auspices of the journal Education Next and the Program on Education Policy and Governance at Harvard University. In the survey, more than half of minority adults gave higher marks to their local police than their public schools."There is no doubt that on this issue, ...Obama has it wrong," Martin wrote."
That in and of itself is bad enough, but pay very careful attention to the much lower basic proficiency percentages for Black students.
Black students' basic math proficiency percentage by 12th grade: 7%
Basic reading proficiency percentage by 12th grade: 16%
Are Blacks inherently less intelligent than everyone else? I don't think so. Or are Democrats insisting on keeping them trapped in subpar public schools and therefore ensuring they're kept dumb, poor, and therefore voting for Democrats for life/generations? Think very carefully about which political party is the real oppressor.
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Fine, blacks shouldn't have to pay their taxes to[wards] it, and they should privatize all schooling for black Americans. Also seems blacks also don't need the police either. They should withdraw all of their tax money [for police], and only have private policing in their neighborhoods.
Problem solved.
I'm good with that. Public schools are a disaster for Blacks. They don't like the police. Let them opt out of both and fund education and policing themselves.
Where there are drugs there are crimes. If black males are convicted more, it's not because their commiting more crimes. It's because there are a lot more police in black areas than white areas. I can tell you, I have lived in a majority white city. Crime and drugs do not go away magically. The only thing is that there aren't police saturated in every part of the city. Now imagine if there were half of the police in these white areas as there are in black areas? You would see whites getting arrested at a similar rate, or close to a similar rate.
White people do drugs too. Probably even more than black people. Over policing in Black Communities remains a huge issue. In my opinion black people don't really need police. If you took all police off the streets in black neighborhoods, the crime would probably go away completely. I say this as a Libertarian who has though very deeply about this topic.
The crimes are not just drug use.
Here's a point on the supposed "over-policing":
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"An administrator at the University of Wisconsin-Madison suggested at a recent roundtable conversation that, in order to combat “overpolicing” in the community, police should no longer respond to shoplifting claims at large stores such as Wal-Mart, and shouldn’t agree to prosecute people caught stealing.
“I just don’t think that they should be prosecuting cases … for people who steal from Wal-Mart. I just don’t think that, right?” said UW-Madison director of community relations Everett Mitchell. “I don’t think [with] Target or all them other places, them big box stores that have insurance, they should be using justification, the fact that people steal from there as justification to start engaging in aggressive police practices, right?”
The belief proferred is that crimes shouldn't be prosecuted if someone has insurance to cover the loss. Anyone with homeowners insurance? Auto insurance? The burglary of your house and the theft of your auto should no longer be prosecuted because you have insurance to cover it.
Police presence is increased where crime rates are highest (not just drug use). Reduce crime, and you'll see a diminished police presence.
The belief proferred is that crimes shouldn't be prosecuted if someone has insurance to cover the loss. Anyone with homeowners insurance? Auto insurance? The burglary of your house and the theft of your auto should no longer be prosecuted because you have insurance to cover it.
Police presence is increased where crime rates are highest (not just drug use). Reduce crime, and you'll see a diminished police presence.
Classic chicken-egg problem. But we can break this cycle because black youth crimes are majority drug related. Overwhelmingly so. If you didn't have drugs, you wouldn't have majority of the crime in black neighborhoods. And other acts of violence are just fallout from drugs anyway. Such as people robbing others to fix their drug habits etc.
It is funny how people never cite that black crime has gone down, and has not spiked once in 20 years. And you can see that there has also been responsible drug use in America in general. A full generation of kids have grown up since the crack epidemic, and now it seems that most people are educated about drugs and the violence levels have gone down.
Despite this being pretty solid in statistics. Policing in black communities remains high. So one has to wonder why? And that's all financial at this point anyway. Police are spending more time trying to police black culture than prevent crime.
Police presence has never factored into crime going up or down, at least where black communities are concerned. If anything people in communities caring about what happens in the streets have been a factor in many neighborhood reduction in crime. Many survivors of the War On Drugs in the 80s and 90s are now older and educated young black youth about crime in general. And there are things that black people are no longer tolerating anymore.
So police really make no difference. To reduce crime, blacks just need to care more about their community. If someone gets shoot or killed in a black neighborhood, the community should retaliate and do something about it. That is far more effective than police. In the 80s blacks we're just clueless and thought police could protect their neighborhoods and communities better than they could. Today, black people know it's up to them to step up and set the standard.
Only issue is blacks are still paying tax dollars for a useless police force and paying for a useless police department. This is why blacks need to move to the Libertarian party and put someone all about more reform in local offices.
Classic chicken-egg problem. But we can break this cycle because black youth crimes are majority drug related. Overwhelmingly so. If you didn't have drugs, you wouldn't have majority of the crime in black neighborhoods. And other acts of violence are just fallout from drugs anyway. Such as people robbing others to fix their drug habits etc.
It is funny how people never cite that black crime has gone down, and has not spiked once in 20 years. And you can see that there has also been responsible drug use in America in general. A full generation of kids have grown up since the crack epidemic, and now it seems that most people are educated about drugs and the violence levels have gone down.
Despite this being pretty solid in statistics. Policing in black communities remains high.
That's because the highest crime rates are still there, despite declines.
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Police presence has never factored into crime going up or down, at least where black communities are concerned.
That's because the role of the police is to investigate crimes that have been committed and to enforce the law. It's impossible for police to prevent crime. There just are not enough of them to effectively do so. If you're relying on the police to prevent crime, you're deluding yourself. All the police shootings/deaths BLM protests? All happened as a result of the deceased having already committed a crime.
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To reduce crime, blacks just need to care more about their community. If someone gets shoot or killed in a black neighborhood, the community should retaliate and do something about it. That is far more effective than police. In the 80s blacks we're just clueless and thought police could protect their neighborhoods and communities better than they could. Today, black people know it's up to them to step up and set the standard.
Only issue is blacks are still paying tax dollars for a useless police force and paying for a useless police department. This is why blacks need to move to the Libertarian party and put someone all about more reform in local offices.
I agree. This is something other races/ethnicities already know. The police can't be everywhere 24/7, and consequently can't protect every neighborhood all the time.
It's good to see that someone is finally getting it, though.
Classic chicken-egg problem. But we can break this cycle because black youth crimes are majority drug related. Overwhelmingly so. If you didn't have drugs, you wouldn't have majority of the crime in black neighborhoods. And other acts of violence are just fallout from drugs anyway. Such as people robbing others to fix their drug habits etc.
It is funny how people never cite that black crime has gone down, and has not spiked once in 20 years. And you can see that there has also been responsible drug use in America in general. A full generation of kids have grown up since the crack epidemic, and now it seems that most people are educated about drugs and the violence levels have gone down.
Despite this being pretty solid in statistics. Policing in black communities remains high. So one has to wonder why? And that's all financial at this point anyway. Police are spending more time trying to police black culture than prevent crime.
Police presence has never factored into crime going up or down, at least where black communities are concerned. If anything people in communities caring about what happens in the streets have been a factor in many neighborhood reduction in crime. Many survivors of the War On Drugs in the 80s and 90s are now older and educated young black youth about crime in general. And there are things that black people are no longer tolerating anymore.
So police really make no difference. To reduce crime, blacks just need to care more about their community. If someone gets shoot or killed in a black neighborhood, the community should retaliate and do something about it. That is far more effective than police. In the 80s blacks we're just clueless and thought police could protect their neighborhoods and communities better than they could. Today, black people know it's up to them to step up and set the standard.
Only issue is blacks are still paying tax dollars for a useless police force and paying for a useless police department. This is why blacks need to move to the Libertarian party and put someone all about more reform in local offices.
Where do most murders occur?
The violence is what brings the police presence. There is a culture that's been learned over generations in the inner city that needs changed. With out effective police presence, gang rule takes over. It's exactly why pure libertarianism does not work.
This is something other races/ethnicities already know.
If white kids were exposed to the same things black inner city kids were, they'd be in the same predicament. It's not surprising black incarceration is slowing while white incarceration is increasing....lower crack use, higher opioids and meth use. It's not a racial issue. It's culture issue that disproportionately prevalent in inner cities that happens to be disproportionately black. Racial knowledge is a myth and is racist. One race does not know more than the other. This type of racist opinion is why black people do not trust conservatives. It's not a black kids fault they are born in a drug/gang infested neighborhood to a single parent. Suggesting they should have the purported knowledge of the white man and avoid falling victim the culture that surrounds the kid is preposterous.
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