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Old 09-14-2018, 09:24 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Oklazona Bound View Post
I am not resigned to mediocrity. The lesser of two evils means I am still voting for evil. No thanks.

To me the two parties are not any option at all. If you look at life since about the time we got involved in the Korean War. We get into one war after another that we never win. Now we are engaged in two conflicts in the middle east that have been going on for almost 20 years, and if anything things are much worse than when we got there. We have overspent our way into eventual austerity. Which I think most people don't even grasp what that will mean. If interest rates rise a few more points everyone will know what that means.

We have created a virtual police state with aggressive cops, overreaching eavesdropping on our citizens and all the post 9/11 homeland security measures that took away countless civil liberties.

And both parties are complicit in the above and a zillion other bad things. There is no way I can vote for more of the same. I don't care if its the Libertarians or Greens or any number of future parties that rise up. Just something has to change.
Simple question then...

Who is now POTUS? One of the two candidates presented by the Democrat and Republican parties, or someone else? I rest my case...

No matter how you describe the choice, "lesser of two evils," "better over worse," "left v right," you either make a choice of consequence or you sideline yourself and let others choose the next POTUS for you. You are not preventing the "evil" you choose not to vote for. You are simply abdicating your choice to those who take responsibility to choose regardless how much we like or don't like the choices that ultimately emerge. In fact, unwittingly, people who cast votes of no consequence can often allow the candidate they least prefer, the most "evil" of the two to win!

What you may wish or feel to the contrary is your prerogative of course, as many people have chosen, to stick head in sand far as I'm concerned, but either way, my point was mostly to demonstrate those of us who look at this from a practical -- realistic - standpoint are not as you previously described.

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Old 09-14-2018, 09:30 AM
 
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Well several of the items that you consider progress I consider the opposite. I really think that entitlements hurt the people long term that they are trying to help. And I do care about people in need I just think the democrats are going about it all wrong. The goal should be independence not dependence.

I am fine with several things on that list. I am looking long term. That is why the debt concerns me as well as the growing police state as well as growing entitlements.

Democrats have done a few things right and many things wrong. Same with the GOP. I guess that is why I am a libertarian. To me its the best blend of both worlds.
Another question for you...

How much have you looked into what you "really believe?"

For starters, for example, what percent of money going toward entitlements ends up feeding kids? Any idea? You think letting kids go hungry is hurting rather than helping them?

Okay, that's two questions actually. Three if you want to get technical...

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Old 09-14-2018, 10:01 AM
 
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i'm still expecting him to finish this week between -13 to -14%.

currently at -12.8% RCP.


i'm hoping for a CNN or ABC/wapo poll to slip in before day's end to get my needed .2%+ and retain my forune-tellers membership card.
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Old 09-14-2018, 12:08 PM
 
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The 3 newest polls on RealClearPolitics:
Rasmussen.....9/11-9/13.....47
Economist/YouGov.....9/9-9/11.....44
Reuters/Ipsos.....9/5-9/11.....43
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Old 09-14-2018, 01:04 PM
 
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The 3 newest polls on RealClearPolitics:
Rasmussen.....9/11-9/13.....47
Economist/YouGov.....9/9-9/11.....44
Reuters/Ipsos.....9/5-9/11.....43

yep, putting trump at -12.5% approval/disapproval


still hoping for a CNN or ABC/wapo poll before day's end to fufill my -13%+ prediction.
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Old 09-14-2018, 01:05 PM
 
Location: North America
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Rcp 40.9.
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Old 09-14-2018, 02:03 PM
 
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The latest polls are the key....look at the dates.
There are no polls as recent as the 3 I posted.
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Old 09-14-2018, 03:18 PM
 
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The latest polls are the key....look at the dates.

i have. more recent polls will be added shortly, including those from CNN and ABC/wapo that will lower trump's RCP average.
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Old 09-14-2018, 03:21 PM
 
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Today, Trump and Obama are tied at 47%.
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Old 09-14-2018, 03:30 PM
 
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Today, Trump and Obama are tied at 47%.
nope, not in the RCP average:


sept 13, 2010


obama 46.6% approval 49.1% disapproval difference -2.5%


sept 14, 2018


trump 40.9% approval 53.4% disapproval difference -12.5%
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